Jump to content
Check out the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
IGNORED

5 Feet Off The Green - Front Pin... What Do You Do?


Note: This thread is 4547 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

Posted

Over the last week, I've played 4 rounds.  All of them for tournaments.  I've found myself with this scenario a number of times and have gone back and forth with it.  Ultimately, I think it's a comfort thing... but, I was wondering what you'd do.

You hit a shot to a front pin but it comes up a little short.  You're 5 feet from the front of the green in the fairway.  The pin is 6 paces on.  Providing there isn't anything that's going to FORCE you to hit a specific shot (such as spotty patches between the ball and the hole)... what shot do you prefer?

I'll go first:

A few weeks ago, I had a lot of confidence in my short game.  I felt good taking my 56 degree wedge and clipping it from the tight lie and having it finish within 3 feet of the hole.  Then... I lost that shot and began blading the shot running it 20 feet by.  So, now I'm back to putting the ball from that position.  The trouble is that the greens I play on are very inconsistent, so I'm not leaving myself easy putts afterwards.  So... now, it's back to the practice green to re-teach myself that little chip.

Anyway... what do you do?

CY

Career Bests
- 18 Holes - 72 (+1) - Par 71 - Pine Island Country Club - 6/25/2022
- 9 Holes - 36 (E) - Par 36 - Pine Island Country Club - 6/25/2022

 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Bump an 8 or 9 iron that lands on the edge of the green and rolls 15-20 feet. Assuming by 6 paces you mean 18 feet. Though with just 5 feet and in the fairway with no rough spots I'd probably putt it.

Dave :-)

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Definitely play the shot you are most comfortable with and have the highest chance of getting down in 2.  If it is smooth and/or a tight lie, I would say the putter, but might go with one of my wedges from a good lie.

:mizuno: MP-52 5-PW, :cobra: King Snake 4 i 
:tmade: R11 Driver, 3 W & 5 W, :vokey: 52, 56 & 60 wedges
:seemore: putter


Posted
Originally Posted by Dave2512

Bump an 8 or 9 iron that lands on the edge of the green and rolls 15-20 feet. Assuming by 6 paces you mean 18 feet. Though with just 5 feet and in the fairway with no rough spots I'd probably putt it.

I would probably do something similar to this.  I find I often decelerate if I try to use a wedge on a short distance due to timidness.  So I will generally grab the 9 iron and do a bump and run provided there isn't a bump or anything in the way.

Jeff

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

I use mostly lob wedge except when fairway is cut short and is conducive to putting without losing so much speed.   I will also consider putting if I am facing steep downhill green.   It's easier for me control putting distance than getting the ball airborne in that situation.   But at the end, it comes down to what feels comfortable (and what you practiced more ).

RiCK

(Play it again, Sam)

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Originally Posted by mvmac

Putt it every time

Yep.

My high school golf coach used to say, 'Your best chip is your worst putt. Putt it.'


Posted
Originally Posted by Fairway_CY

Over the last week, I've played 4 rounds.  All of them for tournaments.  I've found myself with this scenario a number of times and have gone back and forth with it.  Ultimately, I think it's a comfort thing... but, I was wondering what you'd do.

You hit a shot to a front pin but it comes up a little short.  You're 5 feet from the front of the green in the fairway.  The pin is 6 paces on.  Providing there isn't anything that's going to FORCE you to hit a specific shot (such as spotty patches between the ball and the hole)... what shot do you prefer?

I'll go first:

A few weeks ago, I had a lot of confidence in my short game.  I felt good taking my 56 degree wedge and clipping it from the tight lie and having it finish within 3 feet of the hole.  Then... I lost that shot and began blading the shot running it 20 feet by.  So, now I'm back to putting the ball from that position.  The trouble is that the greens I play on are very inconsistent, so I'm not leaving myself easy putts afterwards.  So... now, it's back to the practice green to re-teach myself that little chip.

Anyway... what do you do?

CY

I putt with loft.  This is something I learned from Raymond Floyd's book on scoring.  I do everything just like a putt, take off glove, putting stance, putting grip, but I use a club with a little loft, anything from a 6-iron to a 9-iron depending on the shot.  Then I use my putting stroke.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

Rich - in name only

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
Too many variables......the biggest being the slope to the green, the cut of the area between the ball and the green, and the lie. Most likely, I'm either going to putt or play a little chip with my PW.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Advise I use from my pro:

Putt when you can...

Chip if you can't putt...

Pitch if you can't chip...

Flop if you must.

Russ - Student of the Moe Norman swing as taught by the pros at - http://moenormangolf.com

Titleist 910 D3 8.5* w/ Project X shaft/ Titleist 910F 15* w/ Project X shaft

Cobra Baffler 20* & 23* hybrids with Accra hybrid shafts

Mizuno MP-53 irons 5Iron-PW AeroTech i95 shafts stiff and soft stepped once/Mizuno MP T-11 50.6/56.10/MP T10 60*

Seemore PCB putter with SuperStroke 3.0

Srixon 2012 Z-Star yellow balls/ Iomic Sticky 2.3, X-Evolution grips/Titleist Lightweight Cart Bag---

extra/alternate clubs: Mizunos JPX-800 Pro 5-GW with Project X 5.0 soft-stepped shafts


Posted
Originally Posted by Fairway_CY

Over the last week, I've played 4 rounds.  All of them for tournaments.  I've found myself with this scenario a number of times and have gone back and forth with it.  Ultimately, I think it's a comfort thing... but, I was wondering what you'd do.

You hit a shot to a front pin but it comes up a little short.  You're 5 feet from the front of the green in the fairway.  The pin is 6 paces on.  Providing there isn't anything that's going to FORCE you to hit a specific shot (such as spotty patches between the ball and the hole)... what shot do you prefer?

I'll go first:

A few weeks ago, I had a lot of confidence in my short game.  I felt good taking my 56 degree wedge and clipping it from the tight lie and having it finish within 3 feet of the hole.  Then... I lost that shot and began blading the shot running it 20 feet by.  So, now I'm back to putting the ball from that position.  The trouble is that the greens I play on are very inconsistent, so I'm not leaving myself easy putts afterwards.  So... now, it's back to the practice green to re-teach myself that little chip.

Anyway... what do you do?

CY

It depends.  How fast is the green?  Is it uphill or downhill or level?  That all makes an impact on how I play such a shot.  I could use anything from a putter to a 56° wedge depending on the answers to those questions.  My preference would be to just carry the ball on to the green with my 51° GW and let it run to the hole, but if it was severely downhill I'd probably putt it.

Rick

"He who has the fastest cart will never have a bad lie."

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
I pick it up 'cuz that's a gimmie. ;-)
  • Upvote 3

Yours in earnest, Jason.
Call me Ernest, or EJ or Ernie.

PSA - "If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING!"

My Whackin' Sticks: :cleveland: 330cc 2003 Launcher 10.5*  :tmade: RBZ HL 3w  :nickent: 3DX DC 3H, 3DX RC 4H  :callaway: X-22 5-AW  :nike:SV tour 56* SW :mizuno: MP-T11 60* LW :bridgestone: customized TD-03 putter :tmade:Penta TP3   :aimpoint:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Playing this shot is as individualistic as selecting a driver or a set of irons. You have to find the method that allows you the best chance of holing out, or, at least, getting up and down.

As for me, as long as I am sitting on shorter grass and not in the rough, I usually play this shot with a 6 iron or use the Dave Pelz "chip-putt":

• Hold your putter with your chipping grip.
• Take your normal chipping stance.

• Position the ball a little forward of the center of your stance.

• Make your normal chipping motion with dead hands.

Drivers: Bag 1 - TM R11 (10.5°); Bag 2 - Ping G5 (9°),
Fairway woods: #1 - TM RBZ Tour (14.5°) & TM System 2 Raylor (17°); #2 - TM Burner (15°) & TM V-Steel (18°)
Hybrid: #1 - TM Rocketballz (19°); #2 - Ping G5 (19°)
Irons: #1 - Ping i3+; #2 - Hogan Edge  (both 4-pw, +1" shaft)
Wedges: #1 - Ping i3+ U wedge (52°) & Ping Eye 2+ BeCu (60°); #2 - Ping ISI Sand BeCu (52°) & Cleveland CG11 lob (60°)
Putters: Ping B60i & Anser 2, Odyssey White Steel 2-Ball & White Hot XG #9, Lamkim Jumbp grips
Golf Balls: Titleist Pro V1, Bridgestone B330, Callaway SR1, Slazenger Grips: Lamkin Crossline
Golf Shoes: Footjoy & Adidas; Golf Glove: Footjoy StaSof®; Golf Bag: Ping Hoofer
I love this game! :-D


Posted
I pick it up 'cuz that's a gimmie. ;-)

Do you post that score for handicap? :-D

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

I putt them every time.  My short game isn't very good so I'd rather get close with my putter rather than risk thinning the ball over the green or into a bunker.

Joe Paradiso

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

As some of the other guys said, it depends.

Even assuming it's a straightforward shot from fairway height grass or fringe, with nothing serious in the way, there are often obvious reasons to carry the ball at least onto the green like the smoothness of the grass, the grain, sprinkler heads, and slope up to the green. I wouldn't want to putt a ball up a steep slope of fringe against the grain with the green sloping away, and sometimes even a bump and run into the bank is hard to judge (and I would hit a little mini-flop in that case).

The rule I go by is to only use as much spin as necessary for the shot at hand and only use as much loft as necessary for the shot at hand, and depend on loft over spin when possible.

I did have to hit a flop today from 15 yards and I felt that my only chance was to flop it very high with a full swing and let it fall "down the chimney", as my playing partner said. Got lucky and it landed a few inches from the pin and stayed there. Nice when you pull those off but they are high risk, last resort shots.


  • Moderator
Posted

Seems like from Fairway_CY's post that the shot is pretty standard, no uphill or downhill steep slopes to contend with.  5ft between him and the green, tournament situation, 17 handicap, makes sense to putt it to me.

Mike McLoughlin

Check out my friends on Evolvr!
Follow The Sand Trap on Twitter!  and on Facebook
Golf Terminology -  Analyzr  -  My FacebookTwitter and Instagram 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
[INDENT][/INDENT][quote name="mvmac" url="/t/68783/5-feet-off-the-green-front-pin-what-do-you-do#post_874349"]Seems like from Fairway_CY's post that the shot is pretty standard, no uphill or downhill steep slopes to contend with.  5ft between him and the green, tournament situation, 17 handicap, makes sense to putt it to me.   [/quote] 17 hcp, absolutely. But tell me that you're not bringing a couple of wedges with you to look at it......

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 4547 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    PlayBetter
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • I have a couple of trips planned, although golf was a secondary component in each.  In February we're going to visit some friends near Naples, so Mary Anne and I have added on a few days to stay and play at Streamsong.  Then In March we're going to Hawaii (again), and will almost certainly get in a few rounds there.
    • My next golf trip will probably be a short one, but I’m really looking forward to it. I’m thinking of staying relatively close, picking a spot with a few solid courses and making a long weekend out of it. For me, the best golf trips are about good courses, relaxed vibes, and time away with friends.
    • Nah, man. People have been testing clubs like this for decades at this point. Even 35 years. @M2R, are you AskGolfNut? If you're not, you seem to have fully bought into the cult or something. So many links to so many videos… Here's an issue, too: - A drop of 0.06 is a drop with a 90 MPH 7I having a ball speed of 117 and dropping it to 111.6, which is going to be nearly 15 yards, which is far more than what a "3% distance loss" indicates (and is even more than a 4.6% distance loss). - You're okay using a percentage with small numbers and saying "they're close" and "1.3 to 1.24 is only 4.6%," but then you excuse the massive 53% difference that going from 3% to 4.6% represents. That's a hell of an error! - That guy in the Elite video is swinging his 7I at 70 MPH. C'mon. My 5' tall daughter swings hers faster than that.
    • Yea but that is sort of my quandary, I sometimes see posts where people causally say this club is more forgiving, a little more forgiving, less forgiving, ad nauseum. But what the heck are they really quantifying? The proclamation of something as fact is not authoritative, even less so as I don't know what the basis for that statement is. For my entire golfing experience, I thought of forgiveness as how much distance front to back is lost hitting the face in non-optimal locations. Anything right or left is on me and delivery issues. But I also have to clarify that my experience is only with irons, I never got to the point of having any confidence or consistency with anything longer. I feel that is rather the point, as much as possible, to quantify the losses by trying to eliminate all the variables except the one you want to investigate. Or, I feel like we agree. Compared to the variables introduced by a golfer's delivery and the variables introduced by lie conditions, the losses from missing the optimal strike location might be so small as to almost be noise over a larger area than a pea.  In which case it seems that your objection is that the 0-3% area is being depicted as too large. Which I will address below. For statements that is absurd and true 100% sweet spot is tiny for all clubs. You will need to provide some objective data to back that up and also define what true 100% sweet spot is. If you mean the area where there are 0 losses, then yes. While true, I do not feel like a not practical or useful definition for what I would like to know. For strikes on irons away from the optimal location "in measurable and quantifiable results how many yards, or feet, does that translate into?"   In my opinion it ok to be dubious but I feel like we need people attempting this sort of data driven investigation. Even if they are wrong in some things at least they are moving the discussion forward. And he has been changing the maps and the way data is interpreted along the way. So, he admits to some of the ideas he started with as being wrong. It is not like we all have not been in that situation 😄 And in any case to proceed forward I feel will require supporting or refuting data. To which as I stated above, I do not have any experience in drivers so I cannot comment on that. But I would like to comment on irons as far as these heat maps. In a video by Elite Performance Golf Studios - The TRUTH About Forgiveness! Game Improvement vs Blade vs Players Distance SLOW SWING SPEED! and going back to ~12:50 will show the reference data for the Pro 241. I can use that to check AskGolfNut's heat map for the Pro 241: a 16mm heel, 5mm low produced a loss of efficiency from 1.3 down to 1.24 or ~4.6%. Looking at AskGolfNut's heatmap it predicts a loss of 3%. Is that good or bad? I do not know but given the possible variations I am going to say it is ok. That location is very close to where the head map goes to 4%, these are very small numbers, and rounding could be playing some part. But for sure I am going to say it is not absurd. Looking at one data point is absurd, but I am not going to spend time on more because IME people who are interested will do their own research and those not interested cannot be persuaded by any amount of data. However, the overall conclusion that I got from that video was that between the three clubs there is a difference in distance forgiveness, but it is not very much. Without some robot testing or something similar the human element in the testing makes it difficult to say is it 1 yard, or 2, or 3?  
    • Wordle 1,668 3/6 🟨🟨🟩⬜⬜ ⬜🟨⬜⬜🟨 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.