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I'm not one of these Tiger lovers, nor am I Tiger hater. I respect the heck out of him for what he's done for the game and love watching him when he's at his best. But if I hear one more person say "he showed a lot of heart yesterday" I'm never going to watch TGC again. Jesus, listening to Nobilo and Begay kiss this guy's ass makes me sick. The guy said he was fully healthy and felt no pain, but yet he's showing a lot of heart by playing? Really? This is where I defend Chamblee because he's not one of these guys who goes on the air and makes you sick by saying "he's showing so much heart out there."

You said it brother.

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You could draw the same lines of forward shaft lean and head moving back with lots of pros.

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You could draw the same lines of forward shaft lean and head moving back with lots of pros.

Disagree you'll see a lot of players with the amount of "handle dragging" that Tiger gets with a driver but agree that with a driver you can find a decent amount of players that move the head back (ball is teed up, more 2nd axis tilt). And you'll see that with pros that don't have serious back issues.

Graeme McDowell gets the handle pretty deep at A6 and moves the head back from A4-7

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Not sure I agree. Chamblee had facts and figures and they even showed the forward shaft lean to which he was referring.

Two simple points:

  • Camera angle was garbage (Tiger doesn't play any shot off his back ankle)
  • He was hitting a wedge, where you have more shaft lean than almost anything else.

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Honestly I would normally not say he is a quitter but there has been some questions in the past but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. This time I am very skeptical. The cause of injury didn't look real and progression was suspect. He may have been injured slightly and played it up to get out of Dodge. The extent of pain he was showing is just not consistent with walking back on the course a few days later. I just have my doubts about the validity of the injury or he is on borrowed time and will have problems with tournament play .

Just been said is all I am saying.

"My ball is on top of a rock in the hazard, do I get some sort of relief?"

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I was thinking about getting tickets to the Frys.com open, so it would be really disappointing(but not surprising) if he doesn't play. He should rest up and come back at Torrey Pines.

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Golf Channel just said they've confirmed Tiger won't play the Wyndham, so he's out of the FedExCup Playoffs for sure (not that he had much of a chance anyway).

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Tiger shouldn't touch a club until Thanksgiving. He can become a gym rat, run a marathon, go on an African safari, or whatever; just take a full break from golf for a while, and stop trying to rush back.

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Golf Channel just said they've confirmed Tiger won't play the Wyndham, so he's out of the FedExCup Playoffs for sure (not that he had much of a chance anyway).

Smart move, I guess he has obligations / endorsement deals that motivate him to be on the course but at this point in the season he should take some time off, work on his swing with Foley (or any other coach) and get ready for the 2015 season.

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He is scheduled to play the Notah Begay Challenge, which might be good for him. A tournament with less pressure and a more relaxed atmosphere.

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He is scheduled to play the Notah Begay Challenge, which might be good for him. A tournament with less pressure and a more relaxed atmosphere.

Ah so that's why Notah was saying last night that what Tiger needs now is more playing, more practice, more events. He didn't want Tiger to miss his shindig!

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anyone know how to get tickets to TW's tournament in December being held over in Isleworth?

I know a guy who's working the tournament. I'll check with him to see if he might know.

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Quick text back from my guy. Here you go.... http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/events/worldChallenge/tickets If you're interested in volunteering, I might be able to get you towards the front of the line too. Volunteers get a free round at Isleworth.....

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Instructors chime in on why Woods is struggling. http://www.golfdigest.com/blogs/the-loop/2014/08/swing-theory-what-would-tiger.html

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Well he is out of the Ryder cup and I am glad he is. I would rather see a healthy Tiger next year than him limping around the rest of the year.

"My ball is on top of a rock in the hazard, do I get some sort of relief?"

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http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2014/08/13/89419822/tiger-to-take-time-off-to-rest-back/

Quote:

I've been told by my doctors and trainer that my back muscles need to be rehabilitated and healed. They've advised me not to play or practice now. I was fortunate that my recent back injury was not related to my surgery and was muscular only.

I have already spoken to Tom [Watson] about the Ryder Cup, and while I greatly appreciate his thinking about me for a possible captain's pick, I took myself out of consideration. The U.S. team and the Ryder Cup mean too much to me not to be able to give it my best. I'll be cheering for the U.S. team. I think we have an outstanding squad going into the matches.

I plan to return to competition at my World Challenge tournament at Isleworth in Orlando, Florida, Dec. 1-7. It's an event that's important to me and my foundation, and it will be exciting to be playing again.

Best decision he's made in a while. December is three and a half month from now. I'm interested to see what game he will bring if he returns at the World Challenge, but even more so next year.

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