Does the greenside fringe (1st) cut count for a GIR ?

[Shindig]

All I care about is the final score.

While I agree, GIR and near-GIR have a high correlation (and causation, for that matter) to final score, so they're worth trying to improve.

[Shorty]

It isn't GIR in my book, but as you observe, not all "not GIR" are required equal.

There is no book.

There is no discussion.

There is no matter of opinion.

There is not even any hint of the opportunity for debate.

On the green means on the green.

In the same way that in the hole means in the hole.

[RFKFREAK]

Wow @Shorty actually made me laugh out loud, and I 100% agree!

Unless you're

It shouldn't be that surprising; he's actually kind of a funny.

[Aguirre]

Wow @Shorty actually made me laugh out loud, and I 100% agree!

You have pretty low standards.

[Aguirre]

Statistically, you must be on the putting surface for it to count for a green in regulation.

However, if it's for your personal statistics, go ahead and count a fringe lie that you can putt easily if you think it helps you analyze your game better.  We had this discussion last year, with shorty and a few others insisting that you not count it, even if it's for your own personal stats, as if it matters.  Like you're cheating or something.  Such a joke.

[bkuehn1952]

If padding stats is the goal just think how awesome your scrambling stats will be if you hit a lot of fringe.

Of course, one's putting statistics will suffer so while one gains in one area, the other goes to hell.

[inthehole]

Thanks guys - now I have my answer !

[DrvFrShow]

Game Golf doesn't count it as a GIR.

[DaveP043]

Thanks guys - now I have my answer !

Having read all the opinions, I'm wondering which answer you're sticking with.

[bubble]

well the green being the green and the fringe not being the green you can go that way as we purists do.

same as putting. If I chip on the green it is still a putt.

[RandyBobbitt]

Although it would not count on tour (and I'm not on tour), I've always counted it as half a GIR if the ball is on the fringe and close enough to putt (usually off the green by a foot or less). So at the end of the round, if I've had four cases of missing a green by a foot or less and used the putter each time, that totals two GIRs. That's just for my own diagnostic purposes to see in which areas of the game I'm improving and in which I'm losing ground. Otherwise, a ball an inch off the green would count the same as one in the trap, or the water, or 50 yards short of the green, which would be misleading statistically.

I sometimes hear golf announcers comment about a shot that is six inches off the green but less than 10 feet from hole: "That won't count as a GIR on the stat sheet, but it's still a good shot."

Just my .02 worth.

[inthehole]

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Originally Posted by inthehole

Thanks guys - now I have my answer !

Having read all the opinions, I'm wondering which answer you're sticking with.

I try to play legit (at least to the best of my remedial understanding of the rules), so if it's not on the green, I won't count it.

[Dave2512]

Hopefully some day we will get new and improved stats and stat trackers. I'd really like to know how far I miss green not just how often.

[turtleback]

Where have you seen conflicting opinions? It's as black and white as it gets, isn't it? There's no grey area at all.

That's not to say that for all intents and purposes being a foot off the green may as well be on the green. Unless you are compiling statistics.

And if you are not compiling stats but analyzing your own game then you get to make your own judgments on these things.

Hopefully some day we will get new and improved stats and stat trackers. I'd really like to know how far I miss green not just how often.

Exactly.  If you hit it a foot away from the green and can putt it it certainly is not a GIR for "stat" purposes.  But then we have to ask what the purpose of the stat is.  If we are comparing to other people we need a common definition.  But if we are using them to analyze our own game then we each decide what makes sense to us.

[DaveP043]

I try to play legit (at least to the best of my remedial understanding of the rules), so if it's not on the green, I won't count it.

Just remember, the stats you keep are not governed by the rules of golf.  I've mentioned that when I evaluate the quality of my play, there are times when the ball being on or off the green is of secondary importance.  However, when the ball is on the green, a number of procedures and opportunities for relief change under the rules, so the ball's location on or off the green becomes of primary importance.  For instance, you can lift, clean, and place your ball on the green.  If you're on the green, you can take relief for an abnormal ground condition (like casual water) that doesn't interfere with your stance or swing, but does lie on your intended line of putt.  If you're off the green, you're out of luck  I know there are others, but you get my point.  Playing by the rules is the only way to go, for me.  Using the same definitions for statistics as everyone else, much less important.

[Shorty]

Can you say that a ball is in a bunker if it is on the fairway? I've heard people say that it has to be in a hazard to count as being in a hazard.  If you have  a 5 can you call it a 4?

The rules of this game just drive me crazy! It's so confusing?

[Ernest Jones]

Appropriately enough, it gets pronounced "Faux-G.I.R."

[quote name="bubble" url="/t/81735/does-the-greenside-fringe-1st-cut-count-for-a-gir/0_100#post_1135914"]funny. "Faux" is french for false. [/quote]That's why he said it...

[WUTiger]

In a related matter, I track drives by fairways hit, first cut hit, and other.

My overall goal is to put my drives in first cut of rough or better.