Why does every PGA tour player live in Jupiter, Florida?

[oregongolfguy]

I actually swore that i would never go to phoenix again unless it was dead of winter...but i am willing to make one exception ;-)

[David in FL]

The members at Whisper Rock, Isleworth and Lake Nona would disagree with you ;-)

Yup. [quote name="Chilli Dipper" url="/t/81744/why-does-every-pga-tour-player-live-in-jupiter-florida#post_1136079"]Year-round golf weather, cheap real estate, and no state income tax. Next question.[/quote] Bingo.

[ghalfaire]

Year-round golf weather, cheap real estate, and no state income tax.

Next question.

That's it.  Especially the last attribute of living in FL.

[Ernest Jones]

Lift. Clean and Place.

[MrDC]

The tax thing is irrelevant, they can get that anywhere in Florida, Orlando for instance...

I'll maintain that it's all about the game, sure the ocean helps, and the high end community, but in the end the number one reason these guys are in Jupiter is because that's where the pros are, and pros want to play and practice and gamble with other pros.

[colin007]

Lift.

Clean

and Place.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

how many people are going to have no clue what this is about? HAHA!!!

[No Mulligans]

I spent a lot of time in Florida when I was living in Charleston S.C..  It was way too humid for me.  Growing up in Southern California near the coast, I've gotten use to really good weather and that is a priority for me.

San Diego pretty much has everything Florida has, plus better weather, Phil Mickelson, and yes a higher cost of living and higher taxes.

Taxes aren't that big of deal for an average guy like me... But with the money the top PGA players make, I'd have to calculate the tax savings and consider the alternative of living in Florida.

[FaldosEgo]

I spent a lot of time in Florida when I was living in Charleston S.C..  It was way too humid for me.  Growing up in Southern California near the coast, I've gotten use to really good weather and that is a priority for me. San Diego pretty much has everything Florida has, plus better weather, Phil Mickelson, and yes a higher cost of living and higher taxes. Taxes aren't that big of deal for an average guy like me... But with the money the top PGA players make, I'd have to calculate the tax savings and consider the alternative of living in Florida.

I'd argue that taxes are a bigger deal for average guys.

[No Mulligans]

I'd argue that taxes are a bigger deal for average guys.

Making 100k, filing married, taking standard deduction... California state Income tax $3,703.  http://www.tax-brackets.org/californiataxtable

$3,703 is not enough for me to move.

PGA player making 40million, let's say they have 5 million in deductions, so 35 million.  Calif. state income tax $4,617,000.  That's a lot to pay to live in Calif. vs. Florida.

Article on Phil when he was considering leaving Calif. because of taxes:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/25/opinion/mccaffery-mickelson-taxes/

[krupa]

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Originally Posted by FaldosEgo

I'd argue that taxes are a bigger deal for average guys.

Making 100k, filing married, taking standard deduction... California state Income tax $3,703.  http://www.tax-brackets.org/californiataxtable

$3,703 is not enough for me to move.

PGA player making 40million, let's say they have 5 million in deductions, so 35 million.  Calif. state income tax $4,617,000.  That's a lot to pay to live in Calif. vs. Florida.

Article on Phil when he was considering leaving Calif. because of taxes:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/25/opinion/mccaffery-mickelson-taxes/

Yeah... pretty tough to live on a measly 30 mil. a year.

[Shindig]

Yeah... pretty tough to live on a measly 30 mil. a year.

Why throw away money you don't have to? Especially with what California does with the tax revenue. The public schools are terrible -- many are unusable. The roads (outside of Orange County, at least) are in terrible condition. A large fraction of the police force is more interested in writing tickets than stopping violent crime. Even subtle things, like the barbed wire on freeway signs, gets to you. This state's governments, by and large, can't get their acts together. After a while, you start to look at what you pay in state taxes as the old johnny cash routine -- throwing money down the toilet. I'm not saying [i]everything's[/i] better in other states -- there are plenty of things in California I like. And for the difference at my salary level, I'm not moving. But for the difference when you're making professional athlete money...

[krupa]

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Originally Posted by krupa

Yeah... pretty tough to live on a measly 30 mil. a year.

Why throw away money you don't have to? Especially with what California does with the tax revenue. The public schools are terrible -- many are unusable. The roads (outside of Orange County, at least) are in terrible condition. A large fraction of the police force is more interested in writing tickets than stopping violent crime. Even subtle things, like the barbed wire on freeway signs, gets to you. This state's governments, by and large, can't get their acts together.

After a while, you start to look at what you pay in state taxes as the old johnny cash routine -- throwing money down the toilet.

I'm not saying everything's better in other states -- there are plenty of things in California I like. And for the difference at my salary level, I'm not moving. But for the difference when you're making professional athlete money...

You're right.  On the one hand, it makes sense that someone doesn't want to give the state their money when they know the state is just going to waste it.  One the other hand, it's hard to commiserate with someone who -- even though he pays a lot in taxes -- still brings home more money per day than I make in a year.

[newtogolf]

You're right.  On the one hand, it makes sense that someone doesn't want to give the state their money when they know the state is just going to waste it.  One the other hand, it's hard to commiserate with someone who -- even though he pays a lot in taxes -- still brings home more money per day than I make in a year.

Jupiter is a very nice place to live overall.  Great weather (maybe a bit too warm), great beaches and great golf courses.  Plus compared to NY, you can get a lot more house for your money and it's a much lower cost of living.

[krupa]

Jupiter is a very nice place to live overall.  Great weather (maybe a bit too warm), great beaches and great golf courses.  Plus compared to NY, you can get a lot more house for your money and it's a much lower cost of living.

To each his own.  I have never enjoyed going to Florida except for seeing my father.

[Ernest Jones]

Why throw away money you don't have to? Especially with what California does with the tax revenue. The public schools are terrible -- many are unusable. The roads (outside of Orange County, at least) are in terrible condition. A large fraction of the police force is more interested in writing tickets than stopping violent crime. Even subtle things, like the barbed wire on freeway signs, gets to you. This state's governments, by and large, can't get their acts together. After a while, you start to look at what you pay in state taxes as the old johnny cash routine -- throwing money down the toilet. I'm not saying [i]everything's[/i] better in other states -- there are plenty of things in California I like. And for the difference at my salary level, I'm not moving. But for the difference when you're making professional athlete money...

Excuse my ignorance, but why is there barbed wire on the freeway signs?

[No Mulligans]

Excuse my ignorance, but why is there barbed wire on the freeway signs?

To discourage the taggers.  I've seen the barbed wire in the LA area.

[MSchott]

I spent a lot of time in Florida when I was living in Charleston S.C..  It was way too humid for me.  Growing up in Southern California near the coast, I've gotten use to really good weather and that is a priority for me.

San Diego pretty much has everything Florida has, plus better weather, Phil Mickelson, and yes a higher cost of living and higher taxes.

Taxes aren't that big of deal for an average guy like me... But with the money the top PGA players make, I'd have to calculate the tax savings and consider the alternative of living in Florida.

But does it really matter to your lifestyle if you make $10M/year? Is 13% going to change how you live? Phil certainly is worth well over $100M and he's from the San Diego area. It's obviously worth it to him. I'd make the same decision. I find Florida for the most part to be a horrible place to live. It's flat, ugly unless you are on a coast and too humid. Southern California on the other hand is beautiful, has perfect weather and has great culture. Yes it's more expensive in every way but we've covered that,

[Shindig]

You're right.  On the one hand, it makes sense that someone doesn't want to give the state their money when they know the state is just going to waste it.  One the other hand, it's hard to commiserate with someone who -- even though he pays a lot in taxes -- still brings home more money per day than I make in a year.

Oh, I agree completely with you that I don't quite feel sorry for them. But I also completely agree with not wanting to pay the extra when it's going to waste.