Jump to content
mvmac

How to "Flight" Your Wedges and Short Irons

265 posts / 80918 viewsLast Reply

Recommended Posts

Alright; I'll give it a try at the range. At the moment, 140 yards out to the middle is between a 7- and a 6-iron for me (depending on hazards). But I had a few moments today when I would have liked to take a few yards off a wedge ; I think I could have saved at least a stroke or two (thinking back) off my still-nice 84. So I'll give this a try with a few balls during a few future range sessions. Thanks!

This is a little OT but if your only looking to take a few yards off (especially on a wedge) just choke down 2 inches or so. With my wedges I can take about 10 yards off just by choking down 2 inches or so.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Alright; I'll give it a try at the range. At the moment, 140 yards out to the middle is between a 7- and a 6-iron for me (depending on hazards). But I had a few moments today when I would have liked to take a few yards off a wedge; I think I could have saved at least a stroke or two (thinking back) off my still-nice 84.

Yeah I was just giving a general yardage, basically short irons to your wedges.

Nice round!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I pulled of this shot pretty successfully a few times today. Hit a 9 iron 110 yards with one that worked out well and used it every time I hit my SW on approaches. Was much better at getting on greens from under 80 yards with my SW than usual and my misses were much better for the most part.

I still have a hard time with decelerating on anything other than a stock full shot. I really need to hammer it into my brain before I take my swing not to decelerate, just take a shorter swing. I had a 60 yard shot that I was using my SW for and took some ridiculous slow, decelerating , flippy swing and hit the ball like 30 yards. Not at all a flighted shot even though that was what I was planning on attempting.

I love that about golf. There are so many things to remember and I tend to remember them milliseconds after hitting a shot where I forgot one of those things.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I notice that when I take a less than full shot I get a little out of sequence with my body and will end up pulling it a lot of the time. I wonder it I subconsciously knowing I'm not taking the full shot so try to pull it to get the additional yardage. Something to work on...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I notice that when I take a less than full shot I get a little out of sequence with my body and will end up pulling it a lot of the time. I wonder it I subconsciously knowing I'm not taking the full shot so try to pull it to get the additional yardage. Something to work on...

LOL ...

I've been practicing this week at the range on this shot and while the overall results are overwhelmingly good so far, I have noticed that my most common miss is a fairly severe pull. I imagine that I'm just out of sequence a bit and it'll take some more practice, but I'm optimistic at this point.

:beer:

Have actually adjusted my practice at the range such that when I'm swinging with my wedges and 9 iron, I'm going at 3/4 exclusively right now.  No more full swings with those clubs for the time being.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I thought about this thread yesterday and hit a perfect flighted 7 iron into a headwind from 130 within 4' of the pin.

Flighting a shot is something I've been doing for a while, but I used to do it primarily with backswing length and downswing speed. I'd occasionally hit a full shot by accident. After reading this thread, I started to choke farther down the grip than I used to and it's giving me much more consistent results.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Hit a few wedges (and a few with my 9-iron) this style at the range today. It doesn't quite feel comfortable yet, and I hit some bad ones too. I'm going to have to add it to my practice rotation before I'm comfortable pulling this out on the course.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

This is a great thread.

I  been "flight" my PW to 8I inside 140 yards as I feel I can be more precise to the pin.

My full swing PW often goes further than my flighted 8iron.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I get why a pro would and can do it... most guys got shots with little spin and need to hit it high to stop it on the green. as for distance control, I know exactly how far my wedges go with a full swing... when I'm in between and have to use the system you're describing I'm pretty accurate but really like to end up approachin from full swing distances...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great thread I was actually doing this the other day at my courts and it works well. Just have to keep my head from going forward to prevent pulls. Which btw I did not know about till I read this thread. That is why I'm a supporter great site with great info. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Zack Johnson's set-up for a flighted high spinning wedge shot explained.

45 degrees of spin loft maximes the spin - hitting down -3 deg. with a 48 deg. pitching wedge would be optimal. And off to the range we go...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

45 degrees of spin loft maximes the spin - hitting down -3 deg. with a 48 deg. pitching wedge would be optimal. And off to the range we go...

That would be 51° spin loft, but he doesn't return the handle at 0° and thus the club at 48°. He probably returns the handle around 38-40° or so.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Zack Johnson's set-up for a flighted high spinning wedge shot explained.

This specific instruction on the set up and spin/flight by Zach Coach should be a Top 10 Wedge Instruction All Time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wouldn't really advocate putting the ball back in the stance that much. You can still flight your wedges with the ball more towards the middle of your stance. For Zach it works because he's really really good. It takes a lot of precision to hit the ball that solid from that far back in the stance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

That would be 51° spin loft, but he doesn't return the handle at 0° and thus the club at 48°. He probably returns the handle around 38-40° or so.

Ooops, not that I am currently supposed to do other things... Caught a break, watched a vid, did not think it out... Touche :D

Your remark puzzles me - would that be a 48° loft club head delivered at 38-40° giving it a positive attack angle of 10° to 8°?

If so, what sense does putting the ball back so far in the stance make - wouldn't it move the low point further back and make hitting up harder?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ooops, not that I am currently supposed to do other things... Caught a break, watched a vid, did not think it out... Touche :D

Your remark puzzles me - would that be a 48° loft club head delivered at 38-40° giving it a positive attack angle of 10° to 8°?

If so, what sense does putting the ball back so far in the stance make - wouldn't it move the low point further back and make hitting up harder?

48° dynamic loft and -3° AoA is 51° spin loft.

If he is delivering 38-40° dynamic loft, his AoA has to be 5-7° in order to get 45° spin loft.

That's all. I think you're confusing spin loft, AoA, dynamic and static loft, etc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Interested in this topic although late to the table. Nice discussion and feedback. Usually play a partial to 3/4 knock down shot due to wind and few obstructions. Also, physical limitations restrict movement so this shot helps the most. I can control this shot nicely and hit it smoothly and accurately but when transitioning now to full shots with longer irons my tempo?? is off as I don't seem to fire correctly. More thin shots than I like as I sit in a my stance. I seem to want to lean back and hit it harder...need to fix. Ideas?? Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Affiliates

    SuperSpeed
    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    FlightScope Mevo
    Use the code "iacas" for 10% off Mevo
  • Posts

    • Have been using Game Golf Live, in classic mode for the past 20 games, and has been good to be able to record my game and review afterwards, thought last night I would try using the app again (on android) as well, to see if would get the same problems as before, seeing as just using the puck had been working fine So, switch the puck on, load the app, make sure they are connected, get to first tee .. tag my driver, hit away .. go to my bag, no shot recorded on the app (however, the puck did vibrate and beep).  Get to my next shot, tag the 8 iron, beep and vibrate again ... still no shot recorded on the app.  Decided at this point, to close the app, and just use the puck in classic mode ... when I got home, everything was recorded as before Really do not understand why there is so many probs with the app.  I will carry on using the GG in Classic mode, but will prob use Hole 19 for on course data ... so frustrating 
    • Amusing myself while we are in lockdown here in Aus by planning a possible trip in a year or two. I have had 4 or 5 golf trips to the US and am always thinking about the next one!! Start in Washington State at a little muni called Snohomish. Drive a few hours to Gamble Sands. Across the wine valley to Idaho and Circling Raven. Into Montana and The Ranch or Canyon River both at Missoula Old Works with its black sands. Bozeman - Cottonwood Hills Billings - Eaglerock Wyoming - Bell Nob SD - Red Rock or Hart Ranch NE - Prairie Club NE - Wild Horse Ne - Indian Creek IA - The Harvester IL - TPC Deere Run IL - Ravisloe or Kankakee Elks IN - Warren @ ND OH - Fowlers Run (maybe Sleepy Hollow) PA - Olde Stonewall PA - Gettysburg (not sure about the golf course but I like some history) NJ - Architects NY - Bethpage Black NY - Montauk Downs (this is a course I have always wanted to play being at the extreme end of LI). I think these 22 courses can be done in 3-4 weeks. Max daily drive about 3/4 hours. Appreciate any comments on what better alternatives might exist without deviating from the I-90/I-80 route. All these courses are playable by we plebs, I believe. But if anyone can tell me, I would like to know what private courses along that route are amenable to a polite request from travelling golfers.
    • Day 54.  Bad news, I didn't do speed sticks yesterday despite planning to do so (Note:  I did other practice, as indicated on previous day count).  Good news:  I did so today, continuing to get >100 on the red stick, which is nice.  
    • Day 80 - More of the same, working on my takeaway, focus is on the hips turning more by A3.
    • Yeah, that’s why I mentioned trying to get into a more neutral spine position at address because I start horizontally shifted too far to the target with the upper center. That won’t be enough to get it to where it needs to be but hopefully it is a start. I think I’ve suffered from this flaw for a while to be honest. I’m not really sure what it was about the Chautauqua swing that made the upper center be in a better spot compared to these. These swings were done at much less than maximum effort (and less effort than the Chautauqua swings), so I’m not sure if that somehow played a part. The other thing I can think of is that the backswing sway here was a bit too extreme (possible) which made my momentum forward too much for the upper center to handle. The final thought and maybe the one I have the most conviction in, is that out of these swings (Chautauqua included) I worked down towards the ball more during the outing which essentially replaced some of the movement that happens horizontally with vertical movement.
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. JoeInPI
      JoeInPI
      (47 years old)
    2. meenman
      meenman
      (51 years old)

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...