Making the natural fit the unnatural is the question.

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[SavvySwede]

You really need to include an explanation with your posts. What are you trying to ask?

[Phil McGleno]

Oh good.-Another thread where nobody has any idea what the OP is talking about.-Including the OP.

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15 minutes ago, Phil McGleno said:

Oh good.-Another thread where nobody has any idea what the OP is talking about.-Including the OP.

Phil Mc....The way the hands fall naturally at an angle without a club,particularly the lead hand at golf address position,means the club must fit with that angle.But that is not the angle we have when addressing the ball.The question pretty clearly , I thought, is how do we reconcile these contradictory angles when gripping the club in the lead hand. 

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, collapse said:

Phil Mc....The way the hands fall naturally at an angle without a club,particularly the lead hand at golf address position,means the club must fit with that angle.But that is not the angle we have when addressing the ball.The question pretty clearly , I thought, is how do we reconcile these contradictory angles when gripping the club in the lead hand. 

There is no question in the OP.

And I've used how someone's hands naturally rest at their sides to help determine a starting point for the relative "strength" ("open/closed," not grip firmness) of their grip, but that's about it.

You don't have to "reconcile" those positions IMO - the downswing is happening so quickly most players don't have to think about doing something around impact… and in virtually all swings you literally don't have the time for your brain to say "do this now" at any point after A5.

[mvmac]

I don't understand why we would have to reconcile anything. Of course gripping a club is going to change the wrist angle/hand position compared to just letting the arms hang. 

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1 hour ago, mvmac said:

I don't understand why we would have to reconcile anything. Of course gripping a club is going to change the wrist angle/hand position compared to just letting the arms hang. 

Yes it is, and just not seen as significant by 99% of golfers although it is discussed once in a blue moon.Good players have found the trick to reconciling these two angle/hand positions but very likely don't realize it.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, collapse said:

Yes it is, and just not seen as significant by 99% of golfers although it is discussed once in a blue moon.Good players have found the trick to reconciling these two angle/hand positions but very likely don't realize it.

You're not being clear at all here. Not in this thread, not in your other thread.

Say what you want to say in plain language, and then we can discuss it. If you keep making these obfuscated posts, nobody's going to know what you're actually trying to say.

[mvmac]

1 hour ago, collapse said:

Good players have found the trick to reconciling these two angle/hand positions but very likely don't realize it.

Yeah, it's called good mechanics or Keys 

[Patch]

I kind of understood what the original post ws about only because I had heard the same remark by a poster who called himself "Golf1" on another golf forum. That was several years ago. Probably in the late 80s. 

The idea was to find the right position of the hands at impact that matched up with club face/ball aim at the address position.

G1's claim was that all to often the grip the golfer originally took at the address position did not return the club face to same angle the golfer had at address. His answer was to  move the hands one way or the other in small increments to find the right grip position to fit the original club face aim at impact. His other answer was to leave the hands alone, and open or close the club face to a position that would allow the hands to put the club face in the correct aim position at impact. 

Of course if this is not what the original post is about in this thread, then please accept my apologyies. 

[Dave325]

It seems to me that the grip position and impact are going to be heavily influenced by what happens during the backswing. For example, Key #3 and the change from flat lead wrist to inline impact. The weight forward appears to have a lot to do with how lag and impact happens (this will change the grip posiion, right?).  And something I as working on this afternoon... slighly turning the wrist during the backswing, which created the flat lead wrist and closed the face slightly... this caused a much cleaner and consistent contact. And, helped to promote the inline impact. But again, I am just learning and experimenting with all this. Just an observation that may be totally nonsense. I'll leave the pros to set me straight.  

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31 minutes ago, Dave325 said:

It seems to me that the grip position and impact are going to be heavily influenced by what happens during the backswing. For example, Key #3 and the change from flat lead wrist to inline impact. The weight forward appears to have a lot to do with how lag and impact happens (this will change the grip posiion, right?).  And something I as working on this afternoon... slighly turning the wrist during the backswing, which created the flat lead wrist and closed the face slightly... this caused a much cleaner and consistent contact. And, helped to promote the inline impact. But again, I am just learning and experimenting with all this. Just an observation that may be totally nonsense. I'll leave the pros to set me straight.  

The lead hand of the man on the left is the natural postition of the arm/wrist /hand without a club at address.I am saying we have to learn how to put a club into the lead hand so that configuration remains rather than force the hand to grip the weight of the club in a straight ahead alignment.

[billchao]

3 minutes ago, collapse said:

The lead hand of the man on the left is the natural postition of the arm/wrist /hand without a club at address.I am saying we have to learn how to put a club into the lead hand so that configuration remains rather than force the hand to grip the weight of the club in a straight ahead alignment.

This doesn't make sense to me for these reasons:

1. We have to use the golf club as designed, so our hands have to grip the club in a way that allows us to use it properly.
2. I don't agree that man on the left is in a natural position. A neutral position of the arms and hands for me is with the arms hanging down vertically from the shoulders, my hands at my sides, and my palms facing each other, not rotated inwards and in front of my inner thighs.

[Ernest Jones]

I used to worry about my knee alignments when I was sitting on the couch and how I could possible reconcile them with my address position. Then I remembered that I'm not actually sitting on the couch when I address the ball. Likewise, I suspect my wrist conditions when not gripping a club bear little relationship on my wrist conditions when gripping a club. 

You don't setup with your arms hanging "naturally" at your sides. 

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Why is Justin Rose's relaxed hand/ shaft/club face like this?....across the body.

[Ernest Jones]

36 minutes ago, collapse said:

Why is Justin Rose's relaxed hand/ shaft/club face like this?....across the body.

Umm...because that is how he is holding the club while this picture is being taken? He could be holding it between is teeth too, but what relevance does that have in terms of striking a golf ball? 

[DrvFrShow]

26 minutes ago, collapse said:

Why is Justin Rose's relaxed hand/ shaft/club face like this?....across the body.

Because his arm, and particularly his wrist is rotated so that the top of his hand is facing you. When you address the ball you're not in that position. You're overthinking this. The more important part is the impact position. Build your set up around the impact position.

 

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28 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

Umm...because that is how he is holding the club while this picture is being taken? He could be holding it between is teeth too, but what relevance does that have in terms of striking a golf ball? 

The club is not in his teeth ,an option Mr Jones suggests, because that won't work.....DrvfrShow,he is holding the club that way because the muscles in the left wrist and forearm are tensed to set it that way.Every pro tenses them to set this way.

Edited December 7, 2015 by collapse