R&A has decided Trump Turnberry won’t host British Open

[boogielicious]

11 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

No it doesn't because the history is already there with the Opens in its past and there is always room for it making its way back into the Open rotation in the future, I'm sure, if Trump sells it or whatever.  Plus, it's not like there were only 4 amazing courses in the entirety of Great Britain and now there is going to be this big black hole where its played on a goat track every time Turnberrys turn comes up.  It's going to continue to rotate at all of the other amazing venues and maybe they'll add some new amazing venue to spice it up.

 

No idea, but I did find this regarding the host city of last years US Open: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article45002841.html

Thanks. I know that conventions and major sporting events bring in a lot of money for local economies. 

[dkolo]

Turnberry was already a stretch as a venue because of it lacking infrastructure to host a modern British Open. Part of the reason they awarded it was because of the publicity and planned improvements the course got from Trump's takeover. Now that he's toxic, they don't feel compelled to do him any favors. 

The R&A gets to choose whom to associate with in a similar vein as Trump gets to decide what he says. They're closely related freedoms

[newtogolf]

I'm glad we all agree it's okay for associations and businesses to decide who they do business with based on their personal or political beliefs.  I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

[Ernest Jones]

Let's face it, if Trump becomes the POTUS we have FAR, FAR, FAR more pressing International concerns than where the Open is being held.

[dkolo]

22 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

I'm glad we all agree it's okay for associations and businesses to decide who they do business with based on their personal or political beliefs.  I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

They can, and we can laud or criticize their judgment, and similarly decide whether we want to further associate with that organization. 

[14ledo81]

29 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

I'm glad we all agree it's okay for associations and businesses to decide who they do business with based on their personal or political beliefs.  I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

 

Agreed....

[chspeed]

8 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Democrats probably do not like him.

That might be the biggest understatement of this entire election.

[caniac6]

1 hour ago, newtogolf said:

I'm glad we all agree it's okay for associations and businesses to decide who they do business with based on their personal or political beliefs.  I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

 

1 hour ago, newtogolf said:

I'm glad we all agree it's okay for associations and businesses to decide who they do business with based on their personal or political beliefs.  I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

The PGA Tour and the PGA did this a long time ago. They decided they would not hold tournaments at courses that did not have minority members. This really came to a head when the PGA was going to hold the PGA at Shoal Creek in Alabama. So yes,some buisness decisions are based on personal and political beliefs. I know I would not play at a course owned by someone that expressed hateful and exclusionary racial beliefs.

[nevets88]

1 hour ago, chspeed said:

That might be the biggest understatement of this entire election.

Spoiler

He has high unfavorables among certain segments of Republicans as well.

 

[rkim291968]

2 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

Let's face it, if Trump becomes the POTUS we have FAR, FAR, FAR more pressing International concerns than where the Open is being held.

International and domestic concerns.   

[chspeed]

2 hours ago, caniac6 said:

I know I would not play at a course owned by someone that expressed hateful and exclusionary racial beliefs.

I'm not playing Trump Ferry Point anymore b/c of this. Although, to be honest, I'm also biased by my opinion that's it's an overrated, ridiculously overpriced track with lousy views and slow play. 

[minitour]

So....

He just got a whole week of open tee times to sell at (insert ridiculous price) per person, times four, times however many groups can play on a typical day in July, plus caddie, plus merchandise and other sales not related to playing the course (food and beverage come to mind)....

He's not hurting.

[DaveP043]

15 hours ago, newtogolf said:

I'm glad we all agree it's okay for associations and businesses to decide who they do business with based on their personal or political beliefs.  I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

We do have the right to choose who we do business with, with some limits, at least in the US.  If you decide you don't want to sell a chicken sandwich to someone because he's gay, or because he's a Muslim, that goes beyond the limits.

4 hours ago, minitour said:

So....

He just got a whole week of open tee times to sell at (insert ridiculous price) per person, times four, times however many groups can play on a typical day in July, plus caddie, plus merchandise and other sales not related to playing the course (food and beverage come to mind)....

He's not hurting.

Its not just one week, play is usually stopped on a tournament course for several weeks before the actual event.  On the other hand, once the cachet of "Open Rota Course" is removed, Turnberry becomes similar to Prestwick (without the long history)  Demand will go down, and prices will go down accordingly.

[newtogolf]

 

13 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

We do have the right to choose who we do business with, with some limits, at least in the US.  If you decide you don't want to sell a chicken sandwich to someone because he's gay, or because he's a Muslim, that goes beyond the limits.

Its not just one week, play is usually stopped on a tournament course for several weeks before the actual event.  On the other hand, once the cachet of "Open Rota Course" is removed, Turnberry becomes similar to Prestwick (without the long history)  Demand will go down, and prices will go down accordingly.

I see some ambiguity there.  Trump is being penalized for statements and ideas he's made, he's not POTUS or in the position to build a wall or to prevent Muslims from entering the country, aren't his words and ideas protected under the 1st Amendment?   If you support the actions of the R&A and PGA Tour will you also support business owners that decide to turn away people who publicly support "Black Lives Matter" or the NRA?

This isn't about Trump, this is about establishing precedents that I believe many of you will take issue with when the people or groups you associate with are targeted.

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, newtogolf said:

I see some ambiguity there.  Trump is being penalized for statements and ideas he's made, he's not POTUS or in the position to build a wall or to prevent Muslims from entering the country, aren't his words and ideas protected under the 1st Amendment?   If you support the actions of the R&A and PGA Tour will you also support business owners that decide to turn away people who publicly support "Black Lives Matter" or the NRA?

This isn't about Trump, this is about establishing precedents that I believe many of you will take issue with when the people or groups you associate with are targeted.

There's ambiguity in all of life, and I'm sure there's some inconsistency in my views on a number of subjects.  I do support Mr. Trump's right to say what he wants to say.  All the 1st Amendment says is that the US government won't restrict your right to say what you want.  However, freedom to say it doesn't mean there aren't consequences.  One consequence that Mr. Trump is hoping for is that he'll be elected President.  He chose to put his opinions out there, he has to accept the consequences, for good or bad.  Nobody is choosing not to do business with him based on his religion, or the color of his skin.  The decision by the R&A is based on what Mr. Trump has chosen to say. Its also based on their estimation of potential consequences if they DO award an Open to Trump's Turnberry.  The decision may also be based on principles, but I'm guessing that principles come second to business.

[GolfLug]

Not sure how much this impacts anybody outside of those who love to see the BOC at Turnberry. I would assume there would be a marked divide on this in the membership. I am sure there would be plenty in it who would whoop for joy as to not have to put up with the hassle and circus that a championship of this caliber brings.

Aren't there plenty more to chose from? Good on R&A for sending the right message and be politically correct.

 

[DaveP043]

21 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

Not sure how much this impacts anybody outside of those who love to see the BOC at Turnberry. I would assume there would be a marked divide on this in the membership. I am sure there would be plenty in it who would whoop for joy as to not have to put up with the hassle and circus that a championship of this caliber brings.

Aren't there plenty more to chose from? Good on R&A for sending the right message and be politically correct.

I've read that as a resort course, there's a relatively small group of members.  Since the golf course is part of the resort, and not owned by the members, I'm not sure that the membership have much say in the matter.  That's definitely what I've heard from members at Trump's Washington DC course (located in Sterling, VA), that Mr. Trump does as he pleases.  Their only choice is whether to continue to remain as members, and most choose to stay.. 

As for other courses, of course there are dozens good enough to be a suitable venue.  The logistics, however, make many of them problematic.  As I mentioned before, the Open has only been held at Turnberry 4 times, with 10 years or more between events, so I don't think removing Turnberry from the rota will hurt the R&A at all.

[GolfLug]

1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

I've read that as a resort course, there's a relatively small group of members.  Since the golf course is part of the resort, and not owned by the members, I'm not sure that the membership have much say in the matter.  That's definitely what I've heard from members at Trump's Washington DC course (located in Sterling, VA), that Mr. Trump does as he pleases.  Their only choice is whether to continue to remain as members, and most choose to stay.. 

As for other courses, of course there are dozens good enough to be a suitable venue.  The logistics, however, make many of them problematic.  As I mentioned before, the Open has only been held at Turnberry 4 times, with 10 years or more between events, so I don't think removing Turnberry from the rota will hurt the R&A at all.

Ha ha.. why does that not surprise me?