Chiropractor Kills Playmate

[CarlSpackler]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

The value doesn't seem to be there either. Chiropractors seem to rely on you coming back every week or so for your regularly scheduled "adjustment."

Surgery you likely need. An adjustment to your neck, well, probably not.

My chiro just had me schedule when I needed to see him.

[JxQx]

Seems kind of like a freak accident. I go to a chiropractor that also does PT and sports therapy about twice a month. Never had any issues and actually feel substantially better than I have before. I mostly go for the PT type of stuff but do get adjusted.

Edited October 21, 2016 by JxQx

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Valleygolfer said:

That is just your perception. Maybe it is the other way around.

How is having a kink in your neck that will go away in a day or two versus needing a life-saving surgery my "perception"? I'm not talking about plastic surgery to make your nose look better.

I'm sure they exist, these situations where someone "needs" a chiropractor to "adjust" their neck, but I've never heard or seen one. I'm specifically talking about adjusting the neck area, which seems far more prone to causing issues.

And I'm sure not all chiropractors schedule regular adjustments, but most people I've known who go to them have weekly or bi-weekly appointments. Just like some lousy golf instructors I know…

Yes, maybe it's my perception. And I'm not saying this isn't a freak thing… but I don't know that the risk (not to mention the thought of it creeping me out) is worth the gain.

[Valleygolfer]

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

How is having a kink in your neck that will go away in a day or two versus needing a life-saving surgery my "perception"? I'm not talking about plastic surgery to make your nose look better.

I'm sure they exist, these situations where someone "needs" a chiropractor to "adjust" their neck, but I've never heard or seen one. I'm specifically talking about adjusting the neck area, which seems far more prone to causing issues.

And I'm sure not all chiropractors schedule regular adjustments, but most people I've known who go to them have weekly or bi-weekly appointments. Just like some lousy golf instructors I know…

Yes, maybe it's my perception. And I'm not saying this isn't a freak thing… but I don't know that the risk (not to mention the thought of it creeping me out) is worth the gain.

Obviously there is a lousy someone in every career field. Chiropractic is not for everyone, doesn't help everyone but it can help some people avoid surgery. Risk is so low that some states do not require chiropractors to carry malpractice insurance. Linked one for example.

http://directory.fclb.org/US/RhodeIsland.aspx

[GolfLug]

I have been to a chiro a few times in the last few years. I am not sure how often someone sustains a fatal injury but I would think very rare.

What I found out is the adjustment is skeletal but the misalignment occurs due to muscular tension (left lean, right lean, bad posture, etc.) in the first place and since chiro doesn't fix muscular tension, the misalignment returns in a couple of days. But yes, it can feel like magic for a day or so and yes, you have to keep going back and get skeletal adjustment frequently enough that eventually the muscular 'lean' quit pulling it back of alignment and the adjusted alignment holds. This could be months and initially a chiro can ask you to get the re-alignment daily. Insurance will cover only so much. SO unless the need is dire, well, thanks but no thanks. Honestly if it is that dire than you prolly need surgical correction anyway.   

A better, much better method is to get an X-ray, understand which side you are leaning and then fix the alignment by curing the root cause, i.e., your muscular 'lean'. Most folks call it exercise, you know, weight lifting, core strengthening, yoga, pilates, cross fit, what have you..    . Make sure you work both sides.

 

P.S. WTF is a 'kink' in the neck?? Like it is something a chiro adjustment can iron out? That makes absolutely no sense. Isn't the term 'strain'?

[newtogolf]

I put chiropractors in the same category as podiatrists, they're not real doctors and if I need to see one, I'll let a real doctor tell me to.  

[colin007]

I love my chiropractor and I love getting adjusted. I could get adjusted every day wether I need it or not. I probably crack my own neck myself more violently than the chiro does.

[Ernest Jones]

20 hours ago, newtogolf said:

I put chiropractors in the same category as podiatrists, they're not real doctors and if I need to see one, I'll let a real doctor tell me to.  

Disagree. 

 

I prefer osteo to chiro, but they are both legitimate medical practices. 

[iacas]

2 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

I prefer osteo to chiro, but they are both legitimate medical practices. 

Not if you don't even really need to be licensed. These aren't MDs.

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DC stands for Doctor of Chiropractic. They are not medical doctors, however for insurance purposes, some states consider chiropractors health care providers, some do not. All physicians are doctors. Some physicians are Primary Care Physicians, while others are specialists.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Chiropractor_vs_Doctor

They're not "medical."

Not any more than an herbalist.

[David in FL]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Not if you don't even really need to be licensed. These aren't MDs.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Chiropractor_vs_Doctor

They're not "medical."

Not any more than an herbalist.

They're not MD's but they are required to be licensed in every state.

Herbalist?  Given the level of education and board licensure, I'd say a better comparison would be optometrist, or dentist...

[natureboy]

I get stiff in the back quite a bit and have found hanging from a chin-up bar can lead to some very satisfying snap, crackle, pop 'releases'. Also I can see the Chirpractor as a stand in for some evolutionary-based primate social grooming leading to a greater feeling of wellness (akin to but distinct from a massage). Or maybe a stand-in for all the stumbling / tumbling we used to experience with harder lifestyles as hunter-gatherers, herders, or farmers to which our bodies may have become functionally adapted.

I tried it a bit for a back issue and it may have helped with some temporary discomfort, but one time I got the neck torqued when I wasn't relaxed and it pulled a muscle. Hurt  like a SOB for a week. Haven't returned, and find the chin-up bar and floor stretches just as therapeutic, though I still think massages are great.

Edited October 22, 2016 by natureboy

[newtogolf]

2 hours ago, David in FL said:

They're not MD's but they are required to be licensed in every state.

Herbalist?  Given the level of education and board licensure, I'd say a better comparison would be optometrist, or dentist...

So are electricians and plumbers but I don't want them snapping my neck either.  

[David in FL]

30 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

So are electricians and plumbers but I don't want them snapping my neck either.  

But that's not what electricians and plumbers are licensed to do.

I wouldn't let a Chiropractor wire my house either...

[newtogolf]

8 minutes ago, David in FL said:

But that's not what electricians and plumbers are licensed to do.

I wouldn't let a Chiropractor wire my house either...

Fair point.  

As I said, I prefer real doctors, chiropractors aren't doctors.  Everyone I know that uses chiropractors never get "healed", their course of treatment seems to always be on-going, regularly scheduled (weekly, bi-weekly, monthly) appointments that they have to pay for.   

[JCrane]

On 10/21/2016 at 8:18 AM, iacas said:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/katie-may-playboy-model-death-stroke-after-chiropractor-visit-family-speaks-out/

Ouch.

that is scary stuff, but I have had some very positive sessions with chiropractors, that is until I found what I think are the reasons for many of ourback and neck problems at least mine. 

Those reasons are tight muscles and compression. I had been seeing a chiropractor for 10 years before I found two things that worked for me. One was Yoga and the other was inversion therapy.

After about a year of doing those two things, I realized that chiropractors are constantly fighting tight muscles as they try to manipulate the bones. It is the tight muscles that keep them out of place

. Compression occurs over time from gravity constantly pushing down on us and in my case exasperated by doing squats with heavy weights.

The fact that most of us walk on cement floors for much of our lives does not help either because tight muscles on a hard surface is a recipe for injury.

So the answer for me is decompression by way of inversion.

I had no back problems from 1998 until last year when I woke up and could not move my neck. I went to the Chiropractor and he showed me how I was bone on bone. I realized the inversion was not stretching my neck because my head is not heavy enough.

I went online and found a plastic pillow that wraps around my neck and pumps up to stretch my neck muscles. I use this with my inversion table and after about a month I stretched the muscles and then the cervical spine and all has been well. I continue to do Yoga and jump on the table a few times a week and this seems to work for me but everyone is different

[DrMJG]

I, too, have had a fried die from maltreatment by a Chiropractor.  So, when I needed to repair some knee muscles a while back, I went to a sport medicine place. My thought was "hey, they have to get pros back to the game as quickly as possible..."!  Well, I was not rushed back and did a slow, focused program.  They got me back into the game stronger then before and armed with a set of exercises to get me properly warmed up!  

 

[dennyjones]

On 6/27/2017 at 5:30 AM, JCrane said:

went online and found a plastic pillow that wraps around my neck and pumps up to stretch my neck muscles

@JCrane

I realize this is an old thread but where did you find this?   This sounds like something I could use.

[iacas]

I use a thing called NeckSaviour.

https://www.necksaviour.com/