Paige Spiranac on Cyber Bullying

[Hategolf]

The Cyber bullying issue IMO is a problem and it is of course wrong. It mostly comes from people who envy others or disagree with passion and they do not have the temper to deal with other people's views. They love to hide behind the keyboard.

Yet. If you are going to use social media as a means of marketing and profits, you need to be prepare to deal with the BS, no different than when you become a celebrity. 

I am disappointed that a a girl who has exploited like a genius the SM venue the way she has, does not seem to be able to handle the BS. 

When I look up at high performers athletes I view them as strong individuals than can handle the pressure on and off the course. I do accept to be vulnerable and affected emotionally but it is too bad she felt apart in front of the camera like that. 

I guess she is a talented kid, no more no less. 

[krupa]

2 hours ago, phillyk said:

How easy is it to censor certain phrases or sentences with key words that are deemed abusive?  All they would have to do is add it to their user agreement or whatever that certain abusive language will be automatically deleted.  There is a lot of wiggle room in that, but maybe it's a start.

It's not hard, that's the basis for all spam filters... and we all know how well those work.  There are always ways to get around those filters.  For kids on Facebook/instagram/etc. probably the most effective thing is to have a policy that says you only accept messages from accepted friends.  That limits the functionality, so a lot of people won't do it, but it prevents messages from ever reaching you and so we don't have to rely on by-passable filters.

For public people who want to receive and reply to messages from the general public, they're going to have to receive and deal with really horrible messages.  If I were someone like Paige, I'd probably set up some instant reply mechanism and never ever read messages from the public.

Growing up in the late 80s/early 90s, my bullies were my step-brother and his friends.  Back then, the bullies had to find you to mess with you.  I honestly don't know if I could have taken it if we had social media back then.

I'd like to also mention that the vocabulary people have been using in this thread is woefully lacking.  To say that comments like "you should kill yourself"; "I hope your babies are deformed" and threats of violence, rape, or death are just "negative" really doesn't cut it.    Here is a selection that better fit the category of just absolute horrendous, deplorable, unconscionable things people like Paige have to deal with:

• abhorrent

  atrocious

  awful

  bad

  base

  beastly

  contemptible

  cursed

  despicable

  disgusting

  foul

  hateful

  heinous

  hellish

  horrible

  horrid

  loathsome

  lousy

  nauseating

  obnoxious

  odious

  offensive

  repellent

  reprehensible

  repugnant

  repulsive

  revolting

  rotten

 

[saevel25]

11 minutes ago, Hategolf said:

Yet. If you are going to use social media as a means of marketing and profits, you need to be prepare to deal with the BS, no different than when you become a celebrity. 

No one deserves to have the level of bullying some people receive. Even if they are using social media like that. No one should be hounded by bullies. No one should be threatened or have hate speech thrown at them. 

12 minutes ago, Hategolf said:

I am disappointed that a a girl who has exploited like a genius the SM venue the way she has, does not seem to be able to handle the BS. 

I'm disappointed there are people like you who think this way. She deserves none of the bullying she has received. No one does. 

13 minutes ago, Hategolf said:

When I look up at high performers athletes I view them as strong individuals than can handle the pressure on and off the course. I do accept to be vulnerable and affected emotionally but it is too bad she felt apart in front of the camera like that.

You are wrong. They are still human beings. They are not emotionless robots. It is just stupid to think this way. Athletes deserve the same respect and common decency we do. 

 

[Golfingdad]

1 minute ago, Hategolf said:

I'm still trying to figure out how to multi quote. 

IMO, the easier way to do it is ignore the "multi" button altogether.  I quote the post, then manually delete everything within it that I don't want, respond beneath that, then hit quote on same post again, again delete everything I don't want, respond below that, etc, etc.

[JonMA1]

21 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

It is just stupid to think this way.

That's hurtful.

[Hategolf]

33 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

No one deserves to have the level of bullying some people receive. Even if they are using social media like that. No one should be hounded by bullies. No one should be threatened or have hate speech thrown at them. 

I'm disappointed there are people like you who think this way. She deserves none of the bullying she has received. No one does. 

You are wrong. They are still human beings. They are not emotionless robots. It is just stupid to think this way. Athletes deserve the same respect and common decency we do. 

 

Apparently I did not do it correctly...here we go again..

I did not write that she deserves it. I wrote that if you are going to use the WWW (whole wide web/world) for self promotion and profit...one should be prepare to deal, meaning handle the bad stuff.

Don't be disappointed budd...we are both on the same page because again, I did not say or think she deserves it. You are just a little more ticked off than me about the bullying thing, and probably a little more trigger happy with the key board.

And lastly, I agree with you one more time. We all have emotions..I just think that how she handled the issue was a surprised to me....that you feel my view is stupid, doesn't really bother me and I am not even famous.. but it does show your lack of tolerance for others points of views. 

Edited December 8, 2016 by Hategolf

[boogielicious]

1 minute ago, Hategolf said:

Apparently I did not do it correctly...here we go again..

I did not write that she deserves it. I wrote that if you are going to use the WWW (whole wide world) for self promotion and profit...one should be prepare to deal, meaning handle the bad stuff.

Don't be disappointed budd...we are both on the same page because again, I did not say or think she deserves it. You are just a little more ticked off than me about the bullying thing, and probably a little more trigger happy with the key board.

And lastly, I agree with you one more time. We all have emotions..I just think that how she handled the issue was a surprised to me....that you feel my view is stupid, doesn't really bother me and I am not even famous.. but it does show your lack of tolerance for others points of views. 

But even people with the thickest skin have a breaking point. No one should expect to received hateful bullying just for promoting themselves in an honest, non-hateful way. She is in the business of promoting herself and sponsors. Someone went over the line from just trolling, to outright hate and that can cause fear.

The article I posted above about the woman who was arrested in Tampa for threatening a Sandy Hook parent is a good example. Most of us can ignore the occasional troll comment, but we all have a line.

[mcanadiens]

Memories of my 12-year war (aka k-12) will be with me forever. Like most, I won some and lost some. Nobody died. ... In a way the internet stuff has got to be difficult. I always knew who my antagonists were. There were ways of retaliating This internet stuff doesn't really provide any convenient way, so it's got to be tough. Probably worse for a female.

[mvmac]

12 hours ago, carpediem4300 said:

When Paige spoke out about the bullying and the trolls, whilst morally it was correct, all she did was play into the bullies hands, she showed we was upset, she responded to them, in my eyes the bully won because they acheived their objective,.............if she came out and said "yeah i've seen some harsh comments but to be honest they dont affect me, they are insignificant so i dont waste my time with them" BOOM thats a dart straight in the eye of the bully, she didnt get upset, she didnt speak out against it and go all is woe is me, the bully did not get the reaction they wanted, Paige wins, society wins, the bully loses

I don't necessarily disagree with it's a bully doing it to you in person. It's another matter when it's hundreds/thousands of people harassing you online. Also not many people that are making those comments are going to see the press conference.

9 hours ago, 14ledo81 said:

If I put a hunting video online, I would certainly expect to get negative feedback.

There's a difference between getting negative feedback and being called a *****, people wishing you were dead or people commenting on how they were going to rape you.

Yes being an Instagram model isn't going to be sunshine and rainbows 24/7 (something I'm sure Paige is very aware of) but we need to stand up and call out the assholes who cross the line.

5 hours ago, iacas said:

How much skin should Snapchat, Instagram, etc. have in the game? How much of a responsibility - moral, legal, fiscal? - should they have to protect users? When does it become censorship? How does it vary by country?

All good questions I think IG and Snapchat would benefit if they enabled some form of "policing". I guess the first step is acknowledging it's a problem and placing the blame on the person carrying out the harassment. 

[JonMA1]

29 minutes ago, mvmac said:

There's a difference between getting negative feedback and being called a *****, people wishing you were dead...

You clearly don't know some of the anti-hunters I've talked to.  

I played golf with a guy a few years back who made the statement (verbatim) "I think hunters ought to be shot".

The difference is that there are laws on the book (in Michigan) making it illegal to harass hunters. If only we could apply laws like that protecting people online...

29 minutes ago, mvmac said:

Yes being an Instagram model isn't going to be sunshine and rainbows 24/7 (something I'm sure Paige is very aware of) but we need to stand up and call out the assholes who cross the line.

I think if you created a poll in this topic with the question:

Are those who made the comments assholes?

1)Yes

2) No

...you'd get 100% agreement.

[newtogolf]

For people not seeking fame and wishing to sign up 1000's of random followers, it's easy to stop bullying, just make your profile private only to family and friends and require people request you as a friend.  if they "bully" or harass you, you simply unfriend them.  

If your profile is public it's open for positive and negative comments, you can't expect the social media companies to edit much beyond what's considered hate speech.  

[carpediem4300]

9 hours ago, mvmac said:

I don't necessarily disagree with it's a bully doing it to you in person. It's another matter when it's hundreds/thousands of people harassing you online. Also not many people that are making those comments are going to see the press conference.

 

Well her response would of been even more profound then, it wouldnt of affected just one bully but hundreds/thousands, and i agree not all of them would of seen it, but some of them would, she could of retweeted the interview to her followers and rammed it in the bullies faces.

Wether its in person or online sitting in the corner cowering, looking for sympathy, looking for someone else to deal with the problem acheives one thing and one thing only "It shows the bully they are winning", by standing up, chest out and beating the drum that it doesnt affect you, you are above the hate, the bullies are small puny insignificant pieces of crap on your shoe it is completely the opposite of what the bully wants, in this scenario the victim wins

I'll admit it takes alot of guts to follow that second scenario, it doesnt make what people do/say to you hurt any less, but with the world not being perfect you need to make a choice, do you let them win? or do you let yourself win?

having been through both scenario's personally letting yourself win is far far more beneficial than not, the abuse still hurts, but my head is held high and im still here, still winning

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the world is not and will never be perfect, that doesnt mean would should just "accept" the bad things, we most certainly should not, we should deplore every abhorrent act one human does to another, but to deny the fact that we should "expect" them to do bad things is naive and dangerous, by not expecting bad things to happen you leave yourself open to the full force of those bad things, if you expect them to happen you can safe guard yourself, pre-plan your defense, its not rocket science "Sometimes our world is full of shit, perhaps its best to wear wellies instead of plymsols,.....just incase"

 

 

[Hatchman]

1 hour ago, carpediem4300 said:

 "Sometimes our world is full of s***, perhaps its best to wear wellies instead of plymsols,.....just incase"

And the slingers will want to crap on someone.

Thats where the men in Blue, officials and referees, moderators, and sensorship via etc, comes into play when less impathetic or impulse challenged people interject their stupidity.

[carpediem4300]

44 minutes ago, Hatchman said:

And the slingers will want to crap on someone.

Thats where the men in Blue, officials and referees, moderators, and sensorship via etc, comes into play when less impathetic or impulse challenged people interject their stupidity.

Agreed, but we cannot always rely on others to fight our battles or protect us, it needs to be a joint effort between all involved

[mvmac]

Seems like speaking out against the bullying has been a positive move for her. Check out the comments and how people are connecting with what she said.

 

[Groucho Valentine]

Im sure alot of the hatred she gets is just pure jealousy. All sport is consumed primarily by men, and until more women start sporting women's sport, it will always have to be part pornography to be economically viable. So in a sense, the Paige Spiranacs, Blair O'Neals etc do more for women's professional golf than any of its top players, IMO. I would figure the type of abuse she gets on the internet is easily ignored. Its a double edged sword she must have had to expect. Personally, i dont care what people i don't know say about me on the internet. Who gives a shit? 

But then again i haven't walked in her shoes. I don't make a living off my appearance and have to deal with contsant attacks on my appearance. 

 

[iacas]

8 hours ago, carpediem4300 said:

Well her response would of been even more profound then, it wouldnt of affected just one bully but hundreds/thousands, and i agree not all of them would of seen it, but some of them would, she could of retweeted the interview to her followers and rammed it in the bullies faces.

It got plenty of coverage. And the video was too long, I think, for Instagram.

Besides, she did retweet several things. Like…

 

8 hours ago, carpediem4300 said:

but to deny the fact that we should "expect" them to do bad things is naive and dangerous

Stop saying the word "expect." I'm not going to go into it again but it should be plainly obvious by now that "expect" carries with it some bad connotations, and that nobody's denying anything here.

Paige: "I've received death threats and been called horrible disgusting names and…" (sobbing)
Insensitive Wiseass: "Well, you should have expected that."

Just stop. I think we're all aware of how the world works. Telling a victim of bullying they should have expected it after the fact does nothing to change what happened to them, does nothing to show sympathy or compassion, does nothing to denounce or vilify those who deserve it, etc.

So just stop with the "expected" stuff.

[Kalnoky]

Good people allow bullying to happen. Over and over again, we have to take the high road for the sake of peace. This time of year especially, I'm sure many of you have to contend w/ an a*hole or two, as do I.  If you attempt to defend yourself, then you are the one who is thin-skinned, and cannot take a joke.