Patrick Reed vs. the Rules of Golf

[MiuraMan]

After the Reed controversy one sports betting firm is refunding bets: (from twitter)

⚠️KARMA KOMMITTEE ALERT⚠️

There was no shortage of Patrick Reed talk on his way to winning the Farmers Insurance Open...

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[iacas]

13 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

Yesterday, there was another rules situation on the green where the ball moved after Reed removed his coin. The announcers didn’t know the correct rule. Someone corrected them on air. It’s your freaking job! Learn the rules!

Ken Tackett said “uh no, that’s not correct.”

I laughed.

It’s not really their job, but it should be a small part of it.

NFL announcers generally know the rules. Unless it’s incredibly basic it seems like most PGA Tour announcers get it wrong far more often than they get it right.

[snow bird]

17 minutes ago, MiuraMan said:

After the Reed controversy one sports betting firm is refunding bets: (from twitter)

⚠️KARMA KOMMITTEE ALERT⚠️

There was no shortage of Patrick Reed talk on his way to winning the Farmers Insurance Open...

If you bet on a different golfer, we have your back! PointsBet is refunding ALL pre-tournament outright winner wagers on all other golfers in Free Bets! pic.twitter.com/SHH8OfslgV

It seems insane to refund bets given no rules were broken. Even if they were do they refund bets in football for obvious missed/bad calls? 

 

[Double Mocha Man]

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

Because they do not like Patrick Reed. Plain and simple but sad as well. 

Don't you still have time to get out and play 18 before the storm rolls in?😁🥶☃️

[boogielicious]

7 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Don't you still have time to get out and play 18 before the storm rolls in?😁🥶☃️

We sadly already have snow on the ground!

[DaveP043]

1 minute ago, boogielicious said:

We sadly already have snow on the ground!

In Virginia we have snow, with a nice decorative coating of ice.  And occasional sleet just to make it a little crunchier.

[Double Mocha Man]

8 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

We sadly already have snow on the ground!

If the snow gets any deeper you could always claim the embedded Boogielicious rule and toss yourself aside to Florida.

[phillyk]

4 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

If the snow gets any deeper you could always claim the embedded Boogielicious rule and toss yourself aside to Florida.

We could go out today and play in our 3in of rain. Rule in effect would be standing water more than embedded though. 

 

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Ken Tackett said “uh no, that’s not correct.”

I laughed.

I laughed at that one too. I mean hasn’t balls moving on a green been a consistent topic before and they still don’t get it? Sad really. 

[Double Mocha Man]

2 minutes ago, phillyk said:

We could go out today and play in our 3in of rain. Rule in effect would be standing water more than embedded though. 

I'm building an ark. There will be a driving range off the stern and a small practice putting green on the deck.

[Vinsk]

2 hours ago, snow bird said:

Also he asked an official observer if the ball had bounced and was told it didn't.

To be more clear...saying ‘ I didn’t see the ball bounce’ isn’t really the same as ‘the ball didn’t bounce.’ 
But the fact is a bunch of blowhards really blew this up out of their own stupidity and/or Ill bias towards PR. He followed the rules.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, snow bird said:

It seems insane to refund bets given no rules were broken. Even if they were do they refund bets in football for obvious missed/bad calls? 

They probably didn’t have that many bets so refunding them was a cost-effective PR move.

17 minutes ago, phillyk said:

I laughed at that one too. I mean hasn’t balls moving on a green been a consistent topic before and they still don’t get it? Sad really. 

It did change in 2019.

10 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

To be more clear...saying ‘ I didn’t see the ball bounce’ isn’t really the same as ‘the ball didn’t bounce.’ 

He asked “did you see the ball bounce?“ And her response, the first word, was “no.”

[jsgolfer]

32 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

In Virginia we have snow, with a nice decorative coating of ice.  And occasional sleet just to make it a little crunchier.

Not looking like any golf for a little while.

[DaveP043]

Just now, jsgolfer said:

Not looking like any golf for a little while.

We both had our Orlando trip, we're some of the lucky ones.

[Golfingdad]

1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

To be more clear...saying ‘ I didn’t see the ball bounce’ isn’t really the same as ‘the ball didn’t bounce.’ 
But the fact is a bunch of blowhards really blew this up out of their own stupidity and/or Ill bias towards PR. He followed the rules.

No offense taken. 😉 And is it really that hard to understand?  This isn't hating Tiger cuz he likes porn stars or some other non golf related thing.  This is being skeptical of the at least somewhat awkward way a person who has been known to cheat handled a rules situation that gave him an advantage.  This isn't just a simple "yall are a bunch of haters" stuff.  You guys can't see that?

Have we heard from the playing partners and their caddies yet?  If I can hear their confirmation of his claim that he asked them, that would help things.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Golfingdad

[GolfLug]

I watched Dottie's take and if I am reading between the lines correctly, it seems her take of having a RO present as a rule- I think she meant an unspoken rule amongst players - is not just about ensuring the the proper rules process as much as ensuring that the integrity of the judgment against allegations of cheating was protected for the player. 

So in effect it seems like she is saying something like - golf rules are supposed to be self policed but go ahead and pull in a RO anyway on the simplest of rulings (100 percent cases, as she said) just so you can CYA, since ya know, there are the Rorys who you can do trust falls on all day and then there are the Reeds who hasn't earned enough integrity brownie points along the way.

AdmittedIy, I was one of the band wagoner who cried foul so can see why she said that. One of the CBS guys, can't remember Faldo, Finch or Nobulo said something to the effect of - treat it like an accident scene, don't touch anything until the cops arrive - i.e., CYA.

Rules expect integrity to be a given, but we don't for whatever reason so I don't blame them for thinking that way. 

[saevel25]

12 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

I watched Dottie's take and if I am reading between the lines correctly, it seems her take of having a RO present as a rule- I think she meant an unspoken rule amongst players - is not just about ensuring the the proper rules process as much as ensuring that the integrity of the judgment against allegations of cheating was protected for the player. 

Then her case should be that the PGA tour should make it mandatory that every rules official is present at every situation. If not, then she can't claim that because players get to make the choice of they need and RO or not. 

The level of attention they put on Reed that he is guilty and have to prove his innocence is absurd and to not go after Rory for the same thing. 

It's basically, Golf News needs to push this crap to have talking points. 

I get it, Reed doesn't make his life easy for these situations. He should be applauded for actually doing the right thing here. 

[DaveP043]

15 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Have we heard from the playing partners and their caddies yet?  If I can hear their confirmation of his claim that he asked them, that would help things.

I'm guessing that he would have asked them as they're walking up after their second shots, but I haven't seen video of that.  The video DOES show Reed telling them something like "I'm going to check this out, she said it didn't bounce".  

I can understand that some people will take an extra critical look at PReed, based on their opinion of his past.  But I believe that some percentage of people start from "PReed is a cheater" and go immediately to "PReed cheated this time" without looking at the video or any other "evidence."  In my opinion, the video doesn't conclusively show that PR didn't manipulate things, and doesn't show that he didn't clean the ball before setting it down.  It doesn't exonerate him.  On the other hand, it doesn't show that he DID those things either.  So the evaluation depends on whether we believe that he did one or both of those things with the camera right next to him, filming nearly every move he made.  To me, that's extremely unlikely, which is why I really believe he did everything within the rules.

[GolfLug]

10 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Then her case should be that the PGA tour should make it mandatory that every rules official is present at every situation. 

Me thinks that bridge has been crossed a few times already. I'm sure the PGA has their reasons to not go that route.