Tour Players and 2019 Rules (Running Topic)

[iacas]

2 hours ago, Augster said:

Next it’ll be divots.

I don't think so.

And… they're divot holes. 🙂

[Vinsk]

I think Webb is a bit of a pansy and probably felt cool to join the bad wagon of rule bashing. Poor guy just doesn’t realize he joined an ass hat wagon. Hopefully these guys (Fowler, Thomas recently) will come to their senses and admit they’re wrong.

[boogielicious]

The issue I have with "intent" as an excuse is where do you draw the line? It becomes very, very fuzzy if you try to add that, which is why you have to eliminate it.

[Asheville]

52 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

The issue I have with "intent" as an excuse is where do you draw the line? It becomes very, very fuzzy if you try to add that, which is why you have to eliminate it.

Right there in Rule 1, it says, 

All players are expected to play in the spirit of the game by acting with integrity – for example, by following the Rules, applying all penalties, and being honest in all aspects of play.

Not "very fuzzy" at all. 

[Vinsk]

1 hour ago, Asheville said:

Right there in Rule 1, it says, 

All players are expected to play in the spirit of the game by acting with integrity – for example, by following the Rules, applying all penalties, and being honest in all aspects of play.

Not "very fuzzy" at all. 

That isn’t fuzzy, no. Behavior is. Backstopping is obvious yet they continue to do it under the guise of ‘no intent.’ Hideki flat out lied that time he obviously stomped down his divot as his ball was rolling back headed for it. ‘ Oh I was just repairing my mark. I had no intention of improving my lie.’ Aside from backstopping I don’t think cheating is rampant on the tour but for the weekend players out there it has to be as clear as possible with no backdoors installed to muddle it up.

[rehmwa]

11 hours ago, iacas said:

I don't think so.

And… they're divot holes. 🙂

THANK YOU

 

Divot -

 

NOT a divot - even if you repair it with something wronging named a 'divot tool' (ARGGH)

 

Not divots

 

Golf (vocabulary) is hard...

Edited March 19, 2019 by rehmwa

[Asheville]

1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

That isn’t fuzzy, no. Behavior is. Backstopping is obvious yet they continue to do it under the guise of ‘no intent.’ Hideki flat out lied that time he obviously stomped down his divot as his ball was rolling back headed for it. ‘ Oh I was just repairing my mark. I had no intention of improving my lie.’ Aside from backstopping I don’t think cheating is rampant on the tour but for the weekend players out there it has to be as clear as possible with no backdoors installed to muddle it up.

Take a stab at it . . . rewrite the Rules in the language that would do away with the need for players to act honestly.

Here's an easy start, take Rule 10 and reword it without the words deliberately and accidentally. Then ask around of your friends and see if that's the kind of game they'd like to play. :) 

ps TV golf is just a TV show, don't let its mandate to sell Viagra and Buicks cloud your vision of golf.

[iacas]

37 minutes ago, Asheville said:

Take a stab at it . . . rewrite the Rules in the language that would do away with the need for players to act honestly.

I think he’s just saying you can’t just add intent everywhere or it will become abused. Imagine a cornerback saying “oh I didn’t intend to interfere, I was having a nightmare” and thus getting away with it.

He isn’t commenting on Rule 1 IMO.

P.S. Just finished my test.

[Vinsk]

47 minutes ago, iacas said:

I think he’s just saying you can’t just add intent everywhere or it will become abused. Imagine a cornerback saying “oh I didn’t intend to interfere, I was having a nightmare” and thus getting away with it.

He isn’t commenting on Rule 1 IMO.

P.S. Just finished my test.

Yes. This @Asheville

[rehmwa]

2 hours ago, Asheville said:

don't let its mandate to sell Viagra and Buicks cloud your vision of golf.

laughing a bit - don't forget Lexus commercials with fake accents and british mis-pronounciations

[Asheville]

3 hours ago, iacas said:

P.S. Just finished my test.

Sounds as though you did fine. 🙂

[iacas]

5 minutes ago, Asheville said:

Sounds as though you did fine. 🙂

I’d be allowed to officiate the U. S. Open if they asked, yes.

[iacas]

I like this article even more:

Webb Simpson says rules are 'killing our game' after penalty at Players

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Webb Simpson became the latest PGA Tour pro bitten by the rules of golf Sunday at the Players Championship, and he's calling for action.

But in making his next point, Simpson badly misstated another of the rules changes.

“Now you can be looking for a ball in the rough this high at a U.S. Open; if you step on it, it’s a penalty,” Simpson said, “It used not to be a penalty. So they have reversed that rule that saved the player from a mistake that anybody can make, and so why would they change that rule I’m not so sure about.”

The opposite is actually true.

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So dumb.

[David in FL]

28 minutes ago, iacas said:

I like this article even more:

Webb Simpson says rules are 'killing our game' after penalty at Players

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Webb Simpson became the latest PGA Tour pro bitten by the rules of golf Sunday at the Players Championship, and he's calling for action.

But in making his next point, Simpson badly misstated another of the rules changes.

“Now you can be looking for a ball in the rough this high at a U.S. Open; if you step on it, it’s a penalty,” Simpson said, “It used not to be a penalty. So they have reversed that rule that saved the player from a mistake that anybody can make, and so why would they change that rule I’m not so sure about.”

The opposite is actually true.

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So dumb.

‘‘Tis better to keep quiet and be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt!”

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by David in FL

[Fourputt]

1 hour ago, David in FL said:

‘‘Tis better to keep quiet and be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt!”

 

Truly one of the best philosophical statements of all time. 

[Augster]

4 hours ago, iacas said:

I like this article even more:

Webb Simpson says rules are 'killing our game' after penalty at Players

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Webb Simpson became the latest PGA Tour pro bitten by the rules of golf Sunday at...

But in making his next point, Simpson badly misstated another of the rules changes.

“Now you can be looking for a ball in the rough this high at a U.S. Open; if you step on it, it’s a penalty,” Simpson said, “It used not to be a penalty. So they have reversed that rule that saved the player from a mistake that anybody can make, and so why would they change that rule I’m not so sure about.”

The opposite is actually true.

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So dumb.

OMG. That has to be an Onion article or something. 

How can guys that have many thousands of dollars at stake not know the rules of their profession? 

Why wouldn’t they at least pay their caddie to become a rules expert? That way they can still not know the rules, but have someone they trust guide them in sticky situations. 

They changed the rule because it was “semi-unfair”. Then again, if you don’t want to accidentally move your ball searching in the rough, don’t hit it there. It’s a game of skill. Find the fairway. 

I digress. It’s getting to the point that nothing surprises me, rules-wise, from these guys anymore. 

[Missouri Swede]

Ya know, the more some of these guys talk (tweet/whatever), the less respect I have for them.

[DrMJG]

I said it before and will say it again: Tired of these elementary school wanna be professional golfers whose basic response seems to be a combination of "why", "I don't wanna", "you're picking on me", and "I did not do my homework (and read the "rules" for my job).  No sympathy.  Even soccer, with its many rules, does not really take intent into consideration. 

Either read the rules and ask questions before the round, or get a new job.  The whining bout so called intent is ruining the game. (As well, the announcers need a rule seminar as well..)