LIV Golf (Saudi PIF), "Mergers," and More

[DeadMan]

6 hours ago, GolfLug said:

Is that the guy who sued his own mother? 

Yep! And I think that’s low on the list of bad shit he’s pulled, too. 

[boogielicious]

8 hours ago, iacas said:

LIV Golf players unwelcome at prestigious Seminole Pro-Member event

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The field for the Pro-Member is often the envy of many Tour stops.

Dunne has been pretty vocal about LIV and I agree with him.

[Elmer]

13 hours ago, iacas said:

LIV Golf players unwelcome at prestigious Seminole Pro-Member event

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The field for the Pro-Member is often the envy of many Tour stops.

"Dunne is veteran Wall Street figure who lost scores of friends in the September 11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, where his company Sandler O’Neill (now known as Piper Sandler) was based. "

“These guys had a choice to make, but they’ve made it. That’s it."

Have to say it is nice to see someone stick to their convictions. 
The LIV guys made a choice, they can live with it! (Ha see what I did there!!!!)

[Aguirre]

Of course three of the LIV events this coming year are at Trump properties.

On 1/12/2023 at 8:18 AM, Aguirre said:

Yes, excellent article. Also reminds me of how I'm less interested in the results of professional golf than I've been since I was a teenager. Which, unfortunately, was three decades ago. I'll be there for the majors. Everything else? Maybe not.

Okay after saying that I've watched a ton of PGA Tour golf. Maybe it's just that it's January in PA, maybe I just fooled myself on how much on how much I'm interested.

[guitarget]

Butch Harmon: Tour players who have been vocal against LIV ‘ought to thank them’

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Butch Harmon, on the Five Clubs podcast this week, said PGA Tour players who have been vocal against LIV Golf “ought to thank them.”

 

[turtleback]

1 hour ago, guitarget said:

Butch Harmon: Tour players who have been vocal against LIV ‘ought to thank them’

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Butch Harmon, on the Five Clubs podcast this week, said PGA Tour players who have been vocal against LIV Golf “ought to thank them.”

 

Dumb analysis.  The problem with LIV has nothing to do with the AMOUNT of money, it is with the SOURCE of the money.

[iacas]

3 hours ago, turtleback said:

Dumb analysis.  The problem with LIV has nothing to do with the AMOUNT of money, it is with the SOURCE of the money.

Additionally, purses were going to go up anyway. The TV deal is bringing more new money in.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Additionally, purses were going to go up anyway. The TV deal is bringing more new money in.

Given that TV golf ratings have been declining for 20plus years, it would seem the PGAT succeeded in delivering for their members. That's a fact that escapes their critics. 

[Aguirre]

Also something that's being missed in the coverage of PGA Tour purses is that it's just a reallocation. The bottom players get more in guarantees, the top players will get more in bigger money events, and the middle class will get squeezed a bit. 

[iacas]

5 hours ago, Aguirre said:

The bottom players get more in guarantees,

How do you figure?

The middle class on the PGA Tour stand to make even more.

[GolfLug]

Butch H is being funny. 

PGA Tour players do not need to thank LIV. Its not like LIV had set out to enrich the PGAT purses. They couldn't help it and are not definitely not cheering the increases. If anything they would rather PGAT treat it's players like shit.  

[iacas]

Oy.

Double oy.

Golfers on a Team?

[GolfLug]

It's like watching the Liberty tax guy jumping up and down on the sidewalk to attract customers who can't/won't do a simple 1040.

Even if we ignore the Saudi connection for a moment, I still don't see the attraction beyond what one would afford mildly glorified silly season golf. 

[Darkfrog]

Louder. Better. Faster. Shorter.

What the f%&# does that even mean?

I had to go back 10 seconds a bunch of times to see who was playing guitar with their driver. It was Bryson, and totally dumb.

[iacas]

1 minute ago, Darkfrog said:

Louder. Better. Faster. Shorter.

What the f%&# does that even mean?

I think they stole the motto from my sex life.

[Elmer]

 

Of all the Golfers to go to LIV, I am surprised by Bubba going. 
From what little I have read, combined with News stories, I know he has his religion, he is pious and puts work toward charity.
I would have thought that the actions of the backers would not jive with the gospels he reads.
But I guess Jebus wants him to get money from people who have horrible human rights record. Or play at courses owned by someone who could be considered blasphemous and does not follow the teachings which Bubba holds so dear!

[Darkfrog]

27 minutes ago, Elmer said:

I would have thought that the actions of the backers would not jive with the gospels he reads.
But I guess Jebus wants him to get money from people who have horrible human rights record. Or play at courses owned by someone who could be considered blasphemous and does not follow the teachings which Bubba holds so dear!

The word duplicitous comes to mind.

[turtleback]

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LIV Golf lawyers admit tour generated ‘virtually zero’ revenue in first season

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/feb/07/liv-golf-lawyers-admit-tour-generated-virtually-zero-revenue-in-first-season