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How about this. I totally agree with Peter Kostis  here. The  yuk it  up hour  is a total bore. I want to see golf. I sure hope this  doesnt  become a  boring trend

 

From "we're the 5th major" to 3 GA players yukking it up on 17 tee. Golf and the golfers should be the focus....never the announcers.

Same dumb schtick since joining.

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I thought it was entertaining. Kostis is a stick in the mud.

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You know who I don't miss, not even a little bit? Fatrick Reed and Gerry Watson Jr 

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The Players was a lot of fun to watch. Strong field, competitive, great shots, some blow up holes and big recoveries. Doug Ghim’s birdie shot on 17 on Saturday is among many highlights for me!

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Clarks putt on 18 was brutal! He jinxed it by starting to fist pump.😜

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1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

Clarks putt on 18 was brutal! He jinxed it by starting to fist pump.😜

I breathed a little sigh of relief. I just can't get behind the guy. Even after Full Swing, same with Harman, I just don't care for them. 

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7 hours ago, snapfade said:

I breathed a little sigh of relief. I just can't get behind the guy. Even after Full Swing, same with Harman, I just don't care for them. 

For me, it’s the pretentious name, Wyndham. And for Harman, it’s the 47 waggles.

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He didn’t name himself.

i’ve been rooting against him since the ball moved at Bay Hill on Saturday.

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28 minutes ago, iacas said:

He didn’t name himself.

He could change his name if he wanted to 🤪

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50 minutes ago, StuM said:

He could change his name if he wanted to 🤪

Or go by a nickname like Wyn.

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1 minute ago, boogielicious said:

Or go by a nickname like Wyn.

He has one. Blowpig.

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1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

For me, it’s the pretentious name, Wyndham. And for Harman, it’s the 47 waggles.

Poor Brian. Love the guy, but very hard to watch him prepare to hit the ball. 

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Aside from not being a Wyndham fan and maybe tired of  Scheffler, I can’t imagine any true golf fan not seeing the superior product we watched this weekend to any LIV Tournament. 
 

Who watches a tournament like that and thinks ‘ this would’ve been perfect if they were wearing shorts and there was music playing’?

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8 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Who watches a tournament like that and thinks ‘ this would’ve been perfect if they were wearing shorts and there was music playing’?

Dude, everything's better with "random" flash mobs.

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Scheffler is starting to look like Rahm. Throw on some pounds and it’ll be difficult to tell them apart.

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23 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Aside from not being a Wyndham fan and maybe tired of  Scheffler, I can’t imagine any true golf fan not seeing the superior product we watched this weekend to any LIV Tournament. 
 

Who watches a tournament like that and thinks ‘ this would’ve been perfect if they were wearing shorts and there was music playing’?

I "sampled" watching LIV the other weekend, and other than missing seeing names I used to enjoy watching on the PGAT it came across as a traveling road show.   This weekend's tournament was a one that had a course set up to still provide risk, all the while the commentators were bemoaning that certain holes were no longer long enough.   Yes there were a lot of 3w's off the tee, but was that a bad thing.  To see the players try to navigate the hazards of the water that was everywhere was at times "hey, I've hit into the water before like that" and see them recover, was a lesson in how to not let a mistake keep you from totalling blowing up.  Too many obligations to really follow Sunday, but it was great watching Saturday's round and seeing Wyndam struggle a little on Sat, Xander putting key pressure on him, Doug Ghim's birdie on 17 and yes, Harmon does waggle a little too much for my tastes, but if it gets him home so be it.  Congrats to Scottie for being the first back-to-back winner of the tournament whilst Wyndam had the opportunity to do something, if I recall correctly, that no other had done - be the US Open winner and the Players Champ....good drama for sure....

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2 hours ago, iacas said:

i’ve been rooting against him since the ball moved at Bay Hill on Saturday.

Wasn’t there some controversy in this tournament too with a drop he took?

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10 minutes ago, billchao said:

Wasn’t there some controversy in this tournament too with a drop he took?

Yeah, that he trampled down the rough right where he ended up dropping while taking relief from a drain.

 

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