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Is "holding of the release" and a "blocked shot" the same meaning?

I always took blocked shot being that a person got the club stuck behind them due to a falty backswing and or downswing.

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My humble understanding is that a Block is just a fancy way to say a push. Ball goes dead right. Kind of like a Cut is simply a fancy way of saying a fade. I am certainly open to further enlightenment if I'm being overly simplistic or flat out wrong.

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My humble understanding is that a Block is just a fancy way to say a push. Ball goes dead right. Kind of like a Cut is simply a fancy way of saying a fade. I am certainly open to further enlightenment if I'm being overly simplistic or flat out wrong.

That's been my understanding as well.

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I always thought of a block as a push, but specifically because the trail elbow is "stuck" behind the body. You can hit a push with proper arm sequence but the face too open and I don't consider that a block. One requires significantly more mechanical adjustment to fix than the other.

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I always took blocked shot being that a person got the club stuck behind them due to a falty backswing and or downswing.

I call that getting stuck, which can and does cause a block for most people.

My humble understanding is that a Block is just a fancy way to say a push. Ball goes dead right. Kind of like a Cut is simply a fancy way of saying a fade. I am certainly open to further enlightenment if I'm being overly simplistic or flat out wrong.

^^^ That's a block to me. In to out path. Club face pointing the same direction.

(A shot I know all too well).

The bright side is that they are my longest shots. The dark side is that they end up in another county.

I always thought of a block as a push, but specifically because the trail elbow is "stuck" behind the body. You can hit a push with proper arm sequence but the face too open and I don't consider that a block.

One requires significantly more mechanical adjustment to fix than the other.

I can't relate to "getting stuck" even though I see it happen to other people. I can intentionally put my back elbow completely behind my hip like Jim Furyk and still hit a draw if I want to.

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The only good thing about a block is knowing that your path is in to out... I have flown neighboring fairways and landed on fairways 2 over... Yikes.

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Yea, a block and push are synonyms.

Ballflight H to be more specific:

"Holding off the release" has no universally accepted definition. "Block" does.

So no they don't mean the same thing; however, I can sort of discern through assumption what you mean and why you would associate the two together.

PS- If I'm being super specific, I think the term "block" has a slightly more negative connotation to it than the word "push" does, even though "push" can be used in the negative sense just as easily. But you wouldn't hear someone say they hit "block-draws" for example. That'd probably be the only difference between the two words.

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Nobilo just said Phil Mickelson hit a double-cross. That's the opposite of a block, no?

That's one I've never understood. What the hell is a double cross?

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Nobilo just said Phil Mickelson hit a double-cross. That's the opposite of a block, no?

A "double cross" is when you are aligned to hit a draw or a fade and either do the opposite or hit a straight ball (usually right into the trouble you are trying to curve it away from).

Also a shot I know well. Hey, a thread about most of the shots that get me into trouble!!! :beer:

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Nobilo just said Phil Mickelson hit a double-cross. That's the opposite of a block, no?

A double cross is when you, for example, aim left for a fade, but end up hitting a pull draw. It's called a double cross in part because you compound your miss because of the aim point you chose.

And conversely, it's also a double cross when you aim right for the draw, but end up hitting a block slice.

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A "double cross" is when you are aligned to hit a draw or a fade and either do the opposite or hit a straight ball (usually right into the trouble you are trying to curve it away from). Also a shot I know well. Hey, a thread about most of the shots that get me into trouble!!! :beer:

[quote name="JetFan1983" url="/t/73708/blocks-holding-of-the-release#post_972315"] A double cross is when you, for example, aim left for a fade, but end up hitting a pull draw. It's called a double cross in part because you compound your miss because of the aim point you chose.  And conversely, it's also a double cross when you aim right for the draw, but end up hitting a block slice. [/quote] Ah, so not quite the "opposite" of a block. Got it. Phil appeared to line up for the right side of the green on his 2nd shot, hoping to fade it to the back left. He instead drew it further right into the bunker. On audio he said to himself "Geez Phil what are you doing?" Then he goes on to birdie.

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A double cross is when you, for example, aim left for a fade, but end up hitting a pull draw. It's called a double cross in part because you compound your miss because of the aim point you chose.

And conversely, it's also a double cross when you aim right for the draw, but end up hitting a block slice.

Ohhhh....

See I just call that "The Usual".

:doh:

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Is "holding of the release" and a "blocked shot" the same meaning?

I would say no. "Holding" the release is more of a feel, one we like to use to help players hit draws/work on Key# 3. A block is just a shot that starts too far right and stays right.

I can hold off my "release" and draw it all day long. Great drill

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Okay thank you all. I have a problem with blocks and hit my driver to the right more often than I want. I am partial to hooks and love dogleg lefts but when faced with a slight dogleg right I tend to hold off my hook release, usually by delay my arms ( I purposely get my atms stuck that so I don't double cross and hook on a dogleg right fairway) Anyway I don't feel comfort with a slice /fade release unless I choke down or use a 7 wood. The other problem I get is blocking my putts Again I delay my arms and my hips fire to early. I tried to ways to cure this with a cack hand grip with my putter. This gives me a deliberate push release and I aim to push at the holle This seems to work well as long as its not a big cut break The problem I get is a severe sidehill cut putt I have problems judging the break. So it's close my eyes and pray.

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Okay thank you all. I have a problem with blocks and hit my driver to the right more often than I want. I am partial to hooks and love dogleg lefts but when faced with a slight dogleg right I tend to hold off my hook release, usually by delay my arms ( I purposely get my atms stuck that so I don't double cross and hook on a dogleg right fairway)

Anyway I don't feel comfort with a slice /fade release unless I choke down or use a 7 wood.

The other problem I get is blocking my putts Again I delay my arms and my hips fire to early. I tried to ways to cure this with a cack hand grip with my putter. This gives me a deliberate push release and I aim to push at the holle This seems to work well as long as its not a big cut break The problem I get is a severe sidehill cut putt I have problems judging the break. So it's close my eyes and pray.

You fire your hips when you putt? Lol, do you yell FORE!

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You fire your hips when you putt? Lol, do you yell FORE!

Its how your suppose to hit up with the putter. You got to fire that left hip up and back to get that putter to ascend.

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