I've noticed this move/drill from 3 instructors now

[saevel25]

6 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

Does that mean you don't finish well?

If you don't finish well, guess what happens? Bad habits.

As to the move, level hips is something I've also seen, and then you finish with your glutes underneath you and Superman-ned.

I totally disagree with this. With many drills solid contact is not the focus. Changing the picture is the focus.

6 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

Or not ... you guys do as you want at your peril.

What is this, after a period of peace, is it eff with Mr. Desmond in the boy's room? Let's move on.

No, this is pretty much a you problem. Many of us have done drills that have nothing to do with finishing the golf swing. A lot of drills don't even require seeking solid contact. Yet they change the picture. In the end that is what matters.

Golfers will be able to find the ball when they start going back to their course swing and stop thinking about changing the picture. You might want to brush up on these threads, 

5 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

As a PSA, i feel like some in this thread might be in need of a Sunday morning refresher course ... :)

Contortionist golf instruction is top notch 

2 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

Just a word of advice on these drills: you want to do them with a wedge or short iron. It's hard to generate enough speed to do this with a 5 or 6 iron, at least that has been my experience. 

I think it's better to go with a mid iron because hitting them 40-50 yards is a good measure on that you are doing the drills slowly. 

48 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

It depends on what the goal of that particular swing is, is it a flighted short iron, a knock down or full out, booming high draw. If it's the latter, then the goal of my DS is most definitely to get to fully rotated and fully extended, superman finish. 

I can not think of one shot where I would want to stop my turn rates and not get extension. I could be reading your response wrong. 

[Golfingdad]

3 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

Just a word of advice on these drills: you want to do them with a wedge or short iron. It's hard to generate enough speed to do this with a 5 or 6 iron, at least that has been my experience. 

Agreed.  I use a 9 iron. :)

[billchao]

2 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

If it's the latter, then the goal of my DS is most definitely to get to fully rotated and fully extended, superman finish. 

I get what you're saying, but if you're trying to hit a booming high draw, the point of the DS is to hit a booming high draw. I don't necessarily think being ball-bound is a bad thing, since the object is to advance the ball and get it in the hole in as few strokes as possible. You want to play golf, not golf-swing.

The finish is just a reflection of the things you did in your swing. You can hit a shot with bad form, come to whatever finish your swing takes you to, and then fake the finish by continuing to rotate to whatever superhero pose you want.

For example, if you hit the ball with saggy knees at impact and then fully extend them to your finish, you're doing something wrong despite the way you may look at the end of your swing.

But anyway it doesn't really matter because the person in the OP is fully extended. It just looks sawed-off because her arm speed doesn't carry the shoulder rotation all the way through, which is what I said in my first post. I'm not sure why @Mr. Desmond is harping about her finish.

[9wood]

Personally, the best drill is an actual round of golf. 

[Rainmaker]

1 hour ago, billchao said:

I don't necessarily think being ball-bound is a bad thing....

It depends on what you mean when you say "ball bound" . .a lot of people have different mental pictures for the same words . . but being "ball bound" is definitely a bad thing for a lot of us. 

[Ernest Jones]

1 hour ago, billchao said:

I get what you're saying, but if you're trying to hit a booming high draw, the point of the DS is to hit a booming high draw. I don't necessarily think being ball-bound is a bad thing, since the object is to advance the ball and get it in the hole in as few strokes as possible. You want to play golf, not golf-swing.

The finish is just a reflection of the things you did in your swing. You can hit a shot with bad form, come to whatever finish your swing takes you to, and then fake the finish by continuing to rotate to whatever superhero pose you want.

For example, if you hit the ball with saggy knees at impact and then fully extend them to your finish, you're doing something wrong despite the way you may look at the end of your swing.

But anyway it doesn't really matter because the person in the OP is fully extended. It just looks sawed-off because her arm speed doesn't carry the shoulder rotation all the way through, which is what I said in my first post. I'm not sure why @Mr. Desmond is harping about her finish.

I suspect something is being lost in translation 

[billchao]

1 hour ago, Ernest Jones said:

I suspect something is being lost in translation 

Probably my fault. It's all good. 

[boogielicious]

10 hours ago, 9wood said:

Personally, the best drill is an actual round of golf. 

Playing more golf will improve your game to some degree. But it will not fix swing faults, only reinforce them like bad practice does. If you just want to play, that's great. If you want to play and improve, some practice to change the picture is needed.

[9wood]

47 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

Playing more golf will improve your game to some degree. But it will not fix swing faults, only reinforce them like bad practice does. If you just want to play, that's great. If you want to play and improve, some practice to change the picture is needed.

I wasn't ruling out practice. Just saying that actual rounds of golf is the best practice

[nevets88]

59 minutes ago, 9wood said:

I wasn't ruling out practice. Just saying that actual rounds of golf is the best practice

Imho, playing golf improves... playing golf - strategy, adapting to different lies, getting out of trouble, creativity, getting long and short game to work well at the same time, staying focused.

Improving the swing, that's mostly practice on the range - there's a transition where you take the improvements to the course, but mostly on the range.

Generally, you're not going to fix your over the top, flippy, distance limiting, score killing 30 yard slice, playing golf. 

[9wood]

2 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

Generally, you're not going to fix your 30 yard slice playing golf. 

Yet it was in playing actual rounds that I fixed my slice not on a driving range. In fact I have only been to a driving range twice in the last 12 months and didn't even hit my driver when there.

[nevets88]

7 minutes ago, 9wood said:

Yet it was in playing actual rounds that I fixed my slice not on a driving range. In fact I have only been to a driving range twice in the last 12 months and didn't even hit my driver when there.

 

Spoiler

"Generally, you're not going to fix your 30 yard slice playing golf." Good for you. Most people will learn faster on a range. And I cite Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

 

[iacas]

On April 24, 2016 at 7:55 PM, 9wood said:

Personally, the best drill is an actual round of golf. 

No.

[Lihu]

15 hours ago, 9wood said:

Yet it was in playing actual rounds that I fixed my slice not on a driving range. In fact I have only been to a driving range twice in the last 12 months and didn't even hit my driver when there.

This is probably why you are still a 19.1 handicap. Good focused practice is important and most people playing a round don't focus on their form that's why it's almost always worse on the course than something you rehearse and practice multiple times on a driving range or equivalent.

[9wood]

8 hours ago, Lihu said:

This is probably why you are still a 19.1 handicap. Good focused practice is important and most people playing a round don't focus on their form that's why it's almost always worse on the course than something you rehearse and practice multiple times on a driving range or equivalent.

There's more to it than what you realize. It could be that my 19.1 HC was based on my scoring last year which was when I 1) couldn't hit a driver (but now can) 2) Couldn't ever get on par four greens in 2 (but now I can at times) because I now have a hybrid which helps me do that. Last outing, I even got on a 450 yd par 5 in two. That was a first for me as well. This is a new year and I expect to improve simply because of those two factors. And finally, in my personal experience, at my age, going to the driving range and hitting a bucket of balls only serves to make my arms and shoulders so sore that I am incapable of playing a round of golf the next day or two. Either way, I am showing signs of improving, so please take into consideration that what works for you may not work for others.

[Lihu]

22 minutes ago, 9wood said:

There's more to it than what you realize. It could be that my 19.1 HC was based on my scoring last year which was when I 1) couldn't hit a driver (but now can) 2) Couldn't ever get on par four greens in 2 (but now I can at times) because I now have a hybrid which helps me do that. Last outing, I even got on a 450 yd par 5 in two. That was a first for me as well. This is a new year and I expect to improve simply because of those two factors. And finally, in my personal experience, at my age, going to the driving range and hitting a bucket of balls only serves to make my arms and shoulders so sore that I am incapable of playing a round of golf the next day or two. Either way, I am showing signs of improving, so please take into consideration that what works for you may not work for others.

There is a reason why there are driving ranges, and it seems odd to dispute their utility?

BTW, getting on or near the greens in 2 shots on a 450 yard par 4 is pretty normal for a mid handicap, and usually with a driver and iron under normal flat conditions.

[iacas]

18 minutes ago, 9wood said:

There's more to it than what you realize. It could be that my 19.1 HC was based on my scoring last year which was when I 1) couldn't hit a driver (but now can) 2) Couldn't ever get on par four greens in 2 (but now I can at times) because I now have a hybrid which helps me do that. Last outing, I even got on a 450 yd par 5 in two. That was a first for me as well. This is a new year and I expect to improve simply because of those two factors. And finally, in my personal experience, at my age, going to the driving range and hitting a bucket of balls only serves to make my arms and shoulders so sore that I am incapable of playing a round of golf the next day or two. Either way, I am showing signs of improving, so please take into consideration that what works for you may not work for others.

"Just playing golf" is a great way to ingrain bad habits.

At the end of the day, if you enjoy playing golf at your level, whatever that level is, I'm happy for you. But you're going to get a lot of flack for suggesting that playing rounds of golf is the best way to practice. That's not true at any level that I can think of. Playing golf is an important part of development - heck I wrote this topic - but it's not near the top of the list for "best form of practice."

And if you're no longer a 19, update your profile.

[JetFan1983]

@nevets88 Here's Gankas explaining it. Haven't watched the whole thing, but he uses it to kill off early extension it seems. His students seem to get this drill a lot.