MJ - 1.9 handicapper?

[Ernest Jones]

On 12/21/2016 at 0:26 AM, mvmac said:

Funny for a guy known for his ability to jump in the air he doesn't get much "thrust" with his golf swing. Interesting takeaway as well, Ryan Moore-esque. 

Hard to jump with a wallet that heavy!

[Groucho Valentine]

In my experience from playing against national and world class talent for over a decade is that judging a guys skill by the way his swing looks is one of the largest miscalucations you can make about a player. Good players are good players. Funky mechanics or otherwise. 

[JxQx]

25 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

In my experience from playing against national and world class talent for over a decade is that judging a guys skill by the way his swing looks is one of the largest miscalucations you can make about a player. Good players are good players. Funky mechanics or otherwise. 

Agreed. There are also a lot of people that look like they have a good swing but can't get the face on the ball or score.

[Groucho Valentine]

15 minutes ago, JxQx said:

Agreed. There are also a lot of people that look like they have a good swing but can't get the face on the ball or score.

True indeed. I play with a guy like that, matter of fact. We call him "textbook". Guy has like this god level adonis looking swing, but can barley break 80 lol.. 

He also might be the worst putter that has ever lived...so maybe that has something to do with it...

[Golfingdad]

3 hours ago, boogielicious said:

Echo. Echo.

Yeah, my phone was being odd.  First it was doing this slow twitchy scrolling thing then after I hit submit it showed everything still in the text box ... so I submitted again. :P

[RandallT]

10 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Yeah, my phone was being odd.  First it was doing this slow twitchy scrolling thing then after I hit submit it showed everything still in the text box ... so I submitted again. :P

OT reply, but:

Spoiler

I've had that too, but it was in a PM. I sent it, and the text stayed in the box. Sent it again, and it merged.

I could've cleaned yours up, but I was too lazy.  I figured I'd rather find out how it happened.

 

[woodzie264]

I'm not questioning his talent, nor his ability, but if he hasn't posted since 2013, would he still be considered a 1.9? I mean, I could be a 9.1 now, get hit by a car and not play for three years. In 3 years, I'm not going to play to a 9.1. Is the HCP system set up to address long gaps in time like that?

[mvmac]

1 hour ago, JxQx said:

There are also a lot of people that look like they have a good swing but can't get the face on the ball or score.

Kinda off topic but if someone has a "good looking" swing, more often than not they're a good player. Someone with a good swing that has trouble hitting it solid is pretty rare. You'll see it sometimes withe people posting swings on here that are fairly new to the game. Good mechanics and sequencing generally leads to decent ball striking.

Obviously you can also have a funky looking swing and play great. Jordan does some good stuff, the backswing is just very exaggerated with how upright he gets. Like I said in my other post, look like Ryan Moore. It can work because he's going to "steep to shallow" which most good players do but to less of a degree. Charles Barkley does the opposite and why he has to stop on his downswing. It's like he stops because part of him recognizes how far off he is. If he didn't stop he'd miss the ball completely and hit it 2 feet behind the ball.

[iacas]

32 minutes ago, mvmac said:

Kinda off topic but if someone has a "good looking" swing, more often than not they're a good player. Someone with a good swing that has trouble hitting it solid is pretty rare. You'll see it sometimes withe people posting swings on here that are fairly new to the game. Good mechanics and sequencing generally leads to decent ball striking.

Obviously you can also have a funky looking swing and play great. Jordan does some good stuff, the backswing is just very exaggerated with how upright he gets. Like I said in my other post, look like Ryan Moore. It can work because he's going to "steep to shallow" which most good players do but to less of a degree. Charles Barkley does the opposite and why he has to stop on his downswing. It's like he stops because part of him recognizes how far off he is. If he didn't stop he'd miss the ball completely and hit it 2 feet behind the ball.

Yeah I saw those earlier posts and was going to comment too.

But we're (you, @mvmac, and I are) also more of a trained eye. We can see the good parts and ignore the "fluff" so to speak.

[Golfingdad]

4 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

Hard to jump with a wallet that heavy!

And the cigars and whatever else he needs to fill all of the pockets of the cargo pants he always insists on wearing. ;)

[colin007]

I love his arm extension through the ball in that still from just after impact. 

[nevets88]

4 hours ago, JxQx said:

Agreed. There are also a lot of people that look like they have a good swing but can't get the face on the ball or score.

Some people look great w/the naked eye but when you see the swing with high speed video, it most probably looks flippy at impact. What's noticeable  without the aid of video is the great tempo and pretty finish, which masks the mechanics you can't see at realtime speed.

5 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

Hard to jump with a wallet that heavy!

Or from another POV, all the money in the world, can't get a good instructor.

[StefanUrkel]

5 hours ago, Groucho Valentine said:

In my experience from playing against national and world class talent for over a decade is that judging a guys skill by the way his swing looks is one of the largest miscalucations you can make about a player. Good players are good players. Funky mechanics or otherwise. 

names please

[Rayrobinson]

As great an athlete as Michael is this simply isn't a 2 handicappers swing other than on a home course with a silly standard scratch.

i know I haven't played golf in the states so I am not going to label or disrespect the course he plays on but this swing on a links course in the UK doesn't break 80 and I'm being generous , also with the cold over here that club head speed doesn't get past 250.

sorry Michael but it's somewhere between 8 - 12 at absolute best.

[Ernest Jones]

3 hours ago, Rayrobinson said:

As great an athlete as Michael is this simply isn't a 2 handicappers swing other than on a home course with a silly standard scratch.

i know I haven't played golf in the states so I am not going to label or disrespect the course he plays on but this swing on a links course in the UK doesn't break 80 and I'm being generous , also with the cold over here that club head speed doesn't get past 250.

sorry Michael but it's somewhere between 8 - 12 at absolute best.

I suspect his iron swing looks quite different. This looks like a move that's put together just for tee shots. 

[jamo]

That is ... something. Oof. 

[Pendragon]

On 12/22/2016 at 8:36 AM, woodzie264 said:

I'm not questioning his talent, nor his ability, but if he hasn't posted since 2013, would he still be considered a 1.9? I mean, I could be a 9.1 now, get hit by a car and not play for three years. In 3 years, I'm not going to play to a 9.1. Is the HCP system set up to address long gaps in time like that?

You make a great point. Some guys just like to be able to say that they've got a 2 handicap. If his last posted score was 3 years ago, his index pretty much means nothing. 

I'm guessing that MJ gets in a lot of high stakes matches, and I doubt they're using their GHIN indexes to sort out who's getting strokes. 

[Buckeyebowman]

Well, MJ may be a 1.9 HI or he may not. This thread reminded me of a story a local radio talk show host likes to tell. Seems his younger brother was a gifted athlete in high school and played every sport he could. Wound up going to Alabama on a golf scholarship. Made the Tour on occasion, but basically spent his life as a club pro and playing the mini-tours and such. But he's had a nice life.

He wound up at some high end resort and who's there but MJ! The pro introduced himself and struck up a conversation. Turned out MJ was up for a game, for BIG money! So, the pro took him on, giving him strokes on the front, to be adjusted on the back depending on where they stood at the turn.

Long story short, the pro dusted MJ's ass on both sides, even with adjustments! At the end of the round MJ paid off his bets like a gentleman, but refused a chance to get even! Anyone who has read or heard anything about Jordan knows how competitive he is. He's always looking to "double or nothing"!

In this case MJ slammed his trunk and took off. Maybe he had some place to be, but maybe he didn't. MJ has been known to play 54 before a playoff game!

The "pro" described MJ as a "pretty good" amateur golfer, but one who didn't stand a chance against pro competition!