Multiple People Killed in Shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport

[jsgolfer]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/06/reports-shots-fired-at-fort-lauderdale-airport/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_fort-lauderdale-140pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.eb8c2f361c12

What is wrong with people.  

[CarlSpackler]

There is apparently another active shooter now. =\

[Abu3baid]

They news says they have someone in custody already, but didn't say if they got him dead or alive yet.  They mentioned that he was shot while trying to reload.

A shitty way to start 2017; ugh.  My thoughts with those travelers.

 

[Ernest Jones]

40 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

There is apparently another active shooter now. =\

The last report says that the reported second shooter is false. One shooter.

[CarlSpackler]

20 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

The last report says that the reported second shooter is false. One shooter.

Yep. Just heard that. 

[Patch]

44 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

They news says they have someone in custody already, but didn't say if they got him dead or alive yet.  They mentioned that he was shot while trying to reload.

A shitty way to start 2017; ugh.  My thoughts with those travelers.

 

Another report say the shooter has been taken into custody with out any resistance. Says that once out of ammo, he tossed his 9mm on the floor, and then laid down waiting for police to show up. 

[iacas]

He had the gun in checked baggage?

How did that get through the TSA Theater?

[saevel25]

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

He had the gun in checked baggage?

How did that get through the TSA Theater?

Isn't luggage pickup and drop off before TSA? 

[natureboy]

3 hours ago, Abu3baid said:

They news says they have someone in custody already, but didn't say if they got him dead or alive yet.  They mentioned that he was shot while trying to reload.

News said he just surrendered when confronted, which seems extremely unusual to me for these type of impersonal / 'statement' attacks.

Gun was in the checked luggage. But that stuff's supposed to be screened too IIRC. Someone missed it....my bad: "Unloaded firearms can be legally checked in baggage in a secure container, if declared, according to TSA regulations." He got the unloaded gun from his baggage, went to the bathroom and loaded it.

But he could have driven up from outside, gone in and shot a bunch of people too.

2 hours ago, Patch said:

Another report say the shooter has been taken into custody with out any resistance. Says that once out of ammo, he tossed his 9mm on the floor, and then laid down waiting for police to show up. 

Doesn't that strike you as a little bizarre given the way these things usually go?

Edited January 7, 2017 by natureboy

[p1n9183]

Can´t belive this stuff happen´s in usa so often. My country (Argentina) it´s a very unsecure country but this kind of things never happend. I don´t understand why whith this killings it´s still so easy to get a gun legaly in USA.

[natureboy]

11 minutes ago, p1n9183 said:

Can´t belive this stuff happen´s in usa so often. My country (Argentina) it´s a very unsecure country but this kind of things never happend. I don´t understand why whith this killings it´s still so easy to get a gun legaly in USA.

This gun appears to have been brought in from Alaska through Canada.

"Unloaded firearms can be legally checked in baggage in a secure container, if declared, according to TSA regulations."

Edited January 7, 2017 by natureboy

[natureboy]

Article has surprising amount of detail: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-airport-shooting-20170106-story.html

Sounds a bit like a psychotic break.

[Patch]

39 minutes ago, natureboy said:

News said he just surrendered when confronted, which seems extremely unusual to me for these type of impersonal / 'statement' attacks.

Gun was in the checked luggage. But that stuff's supposed to be screened too IIRC. Someone missed it....my bad: "Unloaded firearms can be legally checked in baggage in a secure container, if declared, according to TSA regulations." He got the unloaded gun from his baggage, went to the bathroom and loaded it.

But he could have driven up from outside, gone in and shot a bunch of people too.

Doesn't that strike you as a little bizarre given the way these things usually go?

No not really. Although capable of killing others, he just didn't want to be shot, and killed himself. Self preservation is more normal than not. Of course this depends on if the media is reporting the actual facts. Lot of different info being reported last I read. 

[natureboy]

21 hours ago, Patch said:

No not really. Although capable of killing others, he just didn't want to be shot, and killed himself. Self preservation is more normal than not. Of course this depends on if the media is reporting the actual facts. Lot of different info being reported last I read. 

I'd be curious about statistics. My rough impression of spree type attacks is that the shooter is more than happy to confront law enforcement and is often counting on 'suicide by cop'.

[iacas]

22 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Isn't luggage pickup and drop off before TSA? 

They check checked bags. Particularly those with firearms.

 

[David in FL]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

They check checked bags. Particularly those with firearms.

 

Check for what?  They already know there's a firearm in there!  

[natureboy]

21 hours ago, Patch said:

No not really. Although capable of killing others, he just didn't want to be shot, and killed himself. Self preservation is more normal than not. Of course this depends on if the media is reporting the actual facts. Lot of different info being reported last I read. 

 

19 minutes ago, natureboy said:

I'd be curious about statistics. My rough impression of spree type attacks is that the shooter is more than happy to confront law enforcement and is often counting on 'suicide by cop'.

...or at least running away. Laying down and waiting for law enforcement to arrive seems unusual.

[Lihu]

On 1/6/2017 at 4:17 PM, p1n9183 said:

Can´t belive this stuff happen´s in usa so often. My country (Argentina) it´s a very unsecure country but this kind of things never happend. I don´t understand why whith this killings it´s still so easy to get a gun legaly in USA.

Unfortunately, it's even easier and cheaper to get one illegally in the United States.

See this http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2017/01/06/senator-shooting-shows-need-repeal-gun-free-zones/96270796/

Chicago has some of our strictest gun laws (on par with the new for 2017 CA gun laws) and yet it's the place with the most homicides using guns. Los Angeles has over 2 million legal gun owners (6 million in the state) and obviously a lot more illegal gun owners and yet the homicide rate with guns combined with NYC is far less than in Chicago. So, criminals are less willing to break into peoples houses and randomly shoot up neighborhoods. They look for areas where they know people own less guns to commit their crimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html

If we were in the middle of the last century when there were not that many options for manufacturing and purchasing firearms, I would be an advocate for gun control. That would make sense. The issue is anyone can make guns at this point. Criminals can get them more readily for less money than law abiding citizens. When this happens, we get a situation like we have in Chicago where mostly criminals have guns.

The guns aren't the problem at this point, in fact it seems the opposite. Lack of legal gun ownership seems to give criminals free reign.

For those who seem to feel that this argument is "not true" as many of my friends seem to contend, I can only offer Occam's Razor. Criminals are not generally geniuses. They usually try to choose the easiest path to a successful crime. It's easier to rob/shoot/rape/'kill for no reason' someone you know doesn't have a gun than one with one.

It's too late for gun control for law abiding citizens. In fact, the phrase "gun control for law abiding citizens" doesn't really make a lot of sense. . .