Newport Cup Matches - Points and Changes

[iacas]

20 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

I also like the yellow ball idea, or some variation thereof.  Perhaps instead of letting each team choose the yellow ball hole, we'd have to draw a number out of a hat.  Or, the opposing team gets to choose the hole for you.  Or automatically make it the 18th hole so some of us will have an audience. :)

I'm leaning that way too, but want to keep hearing new ideas.

It's simple, unique, and involves your teammate.

[jsgolfer]

On the final 9 hole singles matcch, play the aggregate ball of the two partners against the other two for a point. That way everyone has to stay involved for the entire back 9 and would make for some neat strategy. Although you'd have to hole out no matter how bad you are out of the hole.

[iacas]

50 minutes ago, jsgolfer said:

On the final 9 hole singles matcch, play the aggregate ball of the two partners against the other two for a point. That way everyone has to stay involved for the entire back 9 and would make for some neat strategy. Although you'd have to hole out no matter how bad you are out of the hole.

Again, it would be two points if you're going to involve the entire foursome.

And this doesn't work well with handicaps, or conceding putts/shots, etc. That's why I'm reluctant to add anything resembling stroke play, or things that require holing out in all cases.

[DeadMan]

What about having @iacas and @mvmac play a singles match for some points? (I know that's not really feasible, but it would be interesting to involve you guys in some way).

 

[iacas]

45 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

What about having @iacas and @mvmac play a singles match for some points? (I know that's not really feasible, but it would be interesting to involve you guys in some way).

Not really possible, right. We have a lot of other things to do during that time.

[saevel25]

An interesting option to Alternate shot is Greensomes. This is where the two player teams each tee off then they pick the best shot. Then alternate playing in from there. 

 

[Denny Bang Bang]

I am totally lost haha.  Will definitely need to learn more about tournament golf and point systems I guess

[alleztom]

A way to mix this up this might be to allocate a 'partner' before tee time. Basically allocate one point for the net match play score between the two groups. So I am in match 1, I lose 2 and 1. The my 'partner' wins 3 and 1. We by combination win a bonus point for margin of error. Like the nassau may help people to become more engaged. Also this give 1/2 a point rather than  point per two ball and thus might have a lesser overall effect. Just an idea, completely happy for it to be shot down.

Edited February 3, 2017 by alleztom
more clear articulation of point

[SavvySwede]

Instead of one point for front, back, and overall you could break the match up into one point for 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, and the fourth point for the overall.

[iacas]

6 hours ago, SavvySwede said:

Instead of one point for front, back, and overall you could break the match up into one point for 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, and the fourth point for the overall.

There's a good idea. Call it a "Newport" instead of a Nassau.

I am adding it to the list of good choices.

[DaveP043]

I don't have anything different to add, just my opinion of the offerings so far.  Assuming a change is made, the two systems I like best are

A normal 3-point match with one "opponent", and a 1-point match with the "other opponent" in the group.  This is a tiny bit more complicated to track during the match, but it does involve everyone in the group with each of the others.  I think this is my personal favorite

A 4-point match, with a point each for 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, and total.  

I'd also have no problem with the scoring remaining unchanged from last time, it was certainly close and suspenseful.

[DaveP043]

9 hours ago, saevel25 said:

An interesting option to Alternate shot is Greensomes. This is where the two player teams each tee off then they pick the best shot. Then alternate playing in from there. 

I've also heard this called Modified Pinehurst.  In the original Pinehurst format, both players tee off, then they switch balls and each hits a second shot  (i.e. Player A hits Player B's ball, and B hits A's)  After two shots, they select one ball to continue on with, playing alternate shot.  One of these might be a nice way to play the very first matches, to get everyone a few more swings early on than they'd get in a true foursome match.  The second day we could play proper Foursome matches.

[SavvySwede]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

There's a good idea. Call it a "Newport" instead of a Nassau.

I am adding it to the list of good choices.

Thanks. Though I'm not totally sure how I feel about the newly possible scenario of winning the overall and splitting the points 2-2. Could make the overall worth 1.5 but then the singles matches might be weighted too heavily. It's an interesting quirk

[iacas]

15 minutes ago, SavvySwede said:

Thanks. Though I'm not totally sure how I feel about the newly possible scenario of winning the overall and splitting the points 2-2. Could make the overall worth 1.5 but then the singles matches might be weighted too heavily. It's an interesting quirk

True.

[mchepp]

4 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

I've also heard this called Modified Pinehurst.  In the original Pinehurst format, both players tee off, then they switch balls and each hits a second shot  (i.e. Player A hits Player B's ball, and B hits A's)  After two shots, they select one ball to continue on with, playing alternate shot.  One of these might be a nice way to play the very first matches, to get everyone a few more swings early on than they'd get in a true foursome match.  

I have done this at a number of member-guests and it is good way to reduce the stress on the one person hitting the tee shot. I would like it better than the true foursome match.

[Golfingdad]

5 minutes ago, mchepp said:

I have done this at a number of member-guests and it is good way to reduce the stress on the one person hitting the tee shot. I would like it better than the true foursome match.

I would vote against this change.  I really like this format being "true" and exactly like the Ryder Cup and wouldn't want to mess with that.  Also since it's a format we never play otherwise.  It would also slow us down a bit in that format.

[iacas]

13 minutes ago, mchepp said:

I have done this at a number of member-guests and it is good way to reduce the stress on the one person hitting the tee shot. I would like it better than the true foursome match.

Not gonna happen.

Foursomes and Fourball are remaining exactly as they are. Plus, for pace of play reasons, foursomes will not devolve into four players hitting a bunch of shots on every hole.

I'm leaning toward the yellow ball idea once again.

Maybe in reverse: each team can decide to force the other team to play a hole for a par or better. Or have the choice: play your own ball or force the other team to play. Par or better and your team gets the point. Bogey or worse and the opponents get it.

Teams could decide on the order of play (i.e. who hits the tee shot) for themselves. That can't be dictated to them.

[SavvySwede]

Instead of one 18 hole singles match worth 3 points versus one opponent. You play two 9 hole singles matches worth 2 points, partners switch opponents for the second match.