2019 PGA Championship

[Shindig]

4 hours ago, nevets88 said:

And I'm not counting out any surprises where the construction messed up any of the courses.

It'll be interesting.  There's two courses near me (two 18s at the same complex) that serve as parking for a nearby college football stadium (and I suppose other events there).  I haven't played them shortly after a game, but I imagine there has to be a rule for casual oil when that happens.  @Lihu might have played it right after an event at some point and can probably tell a better story than I am. 

[leftybutnotPM]

12 hours ago, famousdavis said:

2.  DJ could have won that tournament. Again, he gave it away.  

 

What a moronic comment. Rory could have won it if he'd shot 10 under. Or anyone else. Koepka would've lost if he'd tripled 18. Tiger would've won if he'd made the cut and finished 9 under.

How did DJ "give it away"? Do you think he decided he couldn't be bothered. He was under pressure on a tough course.

Your comments make as much sense as saying "Brooks could've shot 61 on round two if he hadn't left 5 putts short and they'd gone in.

I would love to see a debate between you and DJ where you explain to him that he "gave it away". What response would you expect? It's easy from the armchair.

 

Edited May 21, 2019 by leftybutnotPM

[krupa]

15 hours ago, famousdavis said:

Whether it be stairs or stare...the effect is the same....it makes people slip and fall. 

There is nothing more satisfying than being 2 or 3 down in match play and then coming back and beating your opponent.  One of my most amazing victories happened in a similar fashion.  I was 3 down to William Tornquist heading into the 15th hole...a devilish 200 yarder over a large hourglass-shaped lake.  Willy hit his shot to the top portion of the green whilst the flag was in front.  He gave a little fist pump and smirked at me.  I gave him my icy stare and he looked a little shell shocked.  I then proceeded to hit one of my best shots of the day, 10 feet from the hole.  William 2-putted but I knocked mine in.  

On the next tee, William said to me "nice shot, Champ".   I simply gave him a receptive nod.  I beat him the rest of the way in and won my 4th club championship.  

William has never been the same after that match.  He finds it hard to even sit at the same table.  He knows I own him. 

 

This one time at band camp...

[Bucki1968]

18 hours ago, klineka said:

FWIW, after the PGA, DJ is ranked 7th in SG: Putting on the PGA Tour this season. Prior to the PGA, he was ranked 5th. Last season he ranked 25th for the whole season.

Here are his recent strokes gained putting numbers in majors (where available)

2018 Masters -- Finished T10

2018 US Open +.755  Solo 3rd

2018 Open Championship -- M.C.

2018 PGA Championship -.084 T27

2019 Masters -- T2

2019 PGA Championship +.748 Solo 2nd

You have to be at least a pretty good putter in majors to get 4 top 10s in your last 6 majors.

 

The same thing can be said about most golfers on the PGA tour

Yes, his putting stats and records are great but I'm still not convinced of his putting ability when it really counts. Tiger made those putts. Jack did too. Of course I'm comparing him to probably the two best clutch putters who ever lived. If I remember correctly he and Brooks both had some pretty good looks at birdie on the last couple holes at Augusta and didn't even come close. It just seems like he throws in a three putt at a really bad time or misses a 5 footer when he really needs to make it. 

[ChrisP]

2 minutes ago, Bucki1968 said:

. It just seems like he throws in a three putt at a really bad time

*cough Chambers Bay

[klineka]

13 minutes ago, Bucki1968 said:

If I remember correctly he and Brooks both had some pretty good looks at birdie on the last couple holes at Augusta and didn't even come close.

In the final round of The Masters, Dustin Johnson shot a bogey free back 9 while playing the final 6 holes in 4 under par, including 3 straight birdies at 15,16, and 17.

Of course he isn't up there with the best clutch putters of all time, nobody is saying that he is. But it's not accurate IMO to say he isn't a great putter in major championships. You don't shoot a back 9 32 at Augusta on Sunday and have 4 top 10s in your last 6 majors without being a pretty good putter.

One 3 putt from 12 feet on the 72nd hole in a major 4 years ago doesn't mean he isn't a great putter in majors.

[chspeed]

42 minutes ago, Bucki1968 said:

Tiger made those putts.

Did he? Tiger made a lot of clutch putts on Sundays during majors, but it was almost always to preserve the lead, not to take it.

[ChrisP]

Yeah the biggest misconception is “Tiger ALWAYS made those putts”. He made a lot of great clutch putts, yes, but he missed some big ones, too. He missed some big ones in the 2009 PGA Champ. He missed some putts in the Masters when he contended in 07, 08 and other years. He missed some key putts at the Open in ‘13 when he contended. It’s a testament to just how often he contended in majors, but while he won his fair share by making big putts, he also missed his fair share in critical moments, too. 

Everyone misses clutch putts at times. It happens.

[hespeler]

16 hours ago, nevets88 said:

It'll be nice to get the course back for the public to play. The pickings around the area aren't all that great. The public ones.

And I'm not counting out any surprises where the construction messed up any of the courses.

Really?  I guess you're talking Nassau County which is essentially Bethpage and Eisenhower but if you're willing to drive just a bit to Suffolk, then Long Island on the whole has plenty of places to play.

[Shindig]

1 hour ago, ChrisP said:

Yeah the biggest misconception is “Tiger ALWAYS made those putts”. He made a lot of great clutch putts, yes, but he missed some big ones, too. He missed some big ones in the 2009 PGA Champ. He missed some putts in the Masters when he contended in 07, 08 and other years. He missed some key putts at the Open in ‘13 when he contended. It’s a testament to just how often he contended in majors, but while he won his fair share by making big putts, he also missed his fair share in critical moments, too. 

Everyone misses clutch putts at times. It happens.

Thank you.  It reminds me of Michael Jordan talking about how many potentially game-winning shots he took but missed. 

[ChrisP]

30 minutes ago, Shindig said:

Thank you.  It reminds me of Michael Jordan talking about how many potentially game-winning shots he took but missed. 

The ‘07 US Open is another example. He actually led for a stretch there on that Sunday and was in the final pair with Baddeley, but missed some big putts. I remember a clutch one he missed on 13 on Sunday. Tiger may be the GOAT, but even he’s not perfect. Neither was Jack.

Edited May 21, 2019 by ChrisP

[Double Mocha Man]

6 minutes ago, ChrisP said:

The ‘07 US Open is another example. He actually led for a stretch there on that Sunday and was in the final pair with Baddeley, but missed some big putts. I remember a clutch one he missed on 13 on Sunday. Tiger may be the GOAT, but even he’s not perfect. Neither was Jack.

If he was perfect he would have won every tournament he entered.  Unless someone else was even more perfect that week.  Perfection does not exist in golf.

[ChrisP]

8 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

If he was perfect he would have won every tournament he entered.  Unless someone else was even more perfect that week.  Perfection does not exist in golf.

Exactly. I just hate when people say “Tiger always made a putt when he needed to.” No he didn’t. He missed his fair share of key putts, too. Like the MJ example above, that guy missed more than 9000 shots in his career and a lot of game winning ones but he’s still regarded as the best to play the game. Even the great ones fail, but it’s those failures that make them the best because it pushes them to try harder.

[Double Mocha Man]

4 minutes ago, ChrisP said:

Exactly. I just hate when people say “Tiger always made a putt when he needed to.” No he didn’t. He missed his fair share of key putts, too. Like the MJ example above, that guy missed more than 9000 shots in his career and a lot of game winning ones but he’s still regarded as the best to play the game. Even the great ones fail, but it’s those failures that make them the best because it pushes them to try harder.

TV hype, but nobody can will a putt to go in.  If the pros could really do this then they'd will a lot more putts to go in during their early rounds.  I once "willed" a 2 footer to go in but it wouldn't even start rolling.  Afterwards my brain hurt.

[phillyk]

1 minute ago, Double Mocha Man said:

TV hype, but nobody can will a putt to go in.  If the pros could really do this then they'd will a lot more putts to go in during their early rounds.  I once "willed" a 2 footer to go in but it wouldn't even start rolling.  Afterwards my brain hurt.

Incred-A-Ball - Remote Control Trick Golf Ball

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I hate golf, but this brings some real fun back to the game.

If there's a will, there's a way.

[GolfLug]

I don't think anybody worth their bacon meant it literally. It is a qualitative statement then quantitative. How many players even faced that many chances of key putts? He made a shit load of those he faced. 

[Double Mocha Man]

1 minute ago, phillyk said:

Incred-A-Ball - Remote Control Trick Golf Ball

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I hate golf, but this brings some real fun back to the game.

If there's a will, there's a way.

Phil... you could have used that device in the U.S. Open Local Qualifier at Gold Mountain :)

[Lihu]

On 5/20/2019 at 10:32 PM, Shindig said:

It'll be interesting.  There's two courses near me (two 18s at the same complex) that serve as parking for a nearby college football stadium (and I suppose other events there).  I haven't played them shortly after a game, but I imagine there has to be a rule for casual oil when that happens.  @Lihu might have played it right after an event at some point and can probably tell a better story than I am. 

Other than trash and tire marks on the fairways, it’s not too bad... of course, I sometimes go to those UCLA games myself 😁