Tiger Woods Master Catch-All Discussion

[BallStriker]

6 hours ago, iacas said:

The author matters a tremendous amount. Tiger didn't trust and pay the SEALs who shared their experiences, and he definitely didn't trust and pay a reporter.

I think my point was missed.....would it have been any less of a breach of trust by HH if someone else authored a substantively identical book that was based on all the information that HH disclosed to the author?  The point being that even though the ESPN writer "wrote" the story, there were breaches of trust by Tiger's peeps that were sources of the story and that is similar to what HH did.......

Edited April 23, 2016 by BallStriker

[newtogolf]

57 minutes ago, BallStriker said:

I think my point was missed.....would it have been any less of a breach of trust by HH if someone else authored a substantively identical book that was based on all the information that HH disclosed to the author?  The point being that even though the ESPN writer "wrote" the story, there were breaches of trust by Tiger's peeps that were sources of the story and that is similar to what HH did.......

Hank was his swing coach, in that role he was privy to information, events and conversations that others were not because of his business relationship with Tiger.  It's fairly common in such relationships that a non-disclosure / confidentiality agreement is put in place to legally ensure personal information is not sold or disclosed for personal gain.  

Haney should not have authored the book or disclosed the information to anyone else, it was a violation of trust and very unprofessional.  Stevie is as guilty as Haney and Jordan is just not as good a friend as Tiger might have thought.  

[iacas]

1 hour ago, BallStriker said:

I think my point was missed.....would it have been any less of a breach of trust by HH if someone else authored a substantively identical book that was based on all the information that HH disclosed to the author?  The point being that even though the ESPN writer "wrote" the story, there were breaches of trust by Tiger's peeps that were sources of the story and that is similar to what HH did.......

You're not comparing like things.

Who violated Tiger's trust in the ESPN story to the level of Hank Haney? Nobody. Not a soul. They didn't even sniff the general area.

[parman]

He is still being paid by his sponsors even though he does nothing. The 1st billion dollar golfer and he's toast. I doubt he cares. 

[iacas]

12 hours ago, parman said:

I doubt he cares. 

I think he cares very much.

[b101]

12 hours ago, parman said:

He is still being paid by his sponsors even though he does nothing. The 1st billion dollar golfer and he's toast. I doubt he cares. 

He wouldn't have accomplished half the things he's done if that were the case. The fact that he keeps pushing himself back early from injury after injury suggests that he cares pretty strongly.

[parman]

9 hours ago, b101 said:

He wouldn't have accomplished half the things he's done if that were the case. The fact that he keeps pushing himself back early from injury after injury suggests that he cares pretty strongly.

I've never understood how a person in a non contact sport can get so many injuries. I suspect physical enhancement drugs could be a problem. What has he recently accomplished? 

[14ledo81]

44 minutes ago, parman said:

I've never understood how a person in a non contact sport can get so many injuries. I suspect physical enhancement drugs could be a problem. What has he recently accomplished? 

Really?  Back injuries are not all that uncommon.

With the speed that he swings at, and how many times a day for years, it is not a shock to me that he has injuries.

[Natural Patrick]

11 hours ago, iacas said:

I think he cares very much.

I think he cares as well. That being said, look at his GWR, he is beyond washed up. The fact that he thinks he can compete with the top 10 in the GWR is Laughable at best.

[newtogolf]

1 hour ago, Natural Patrick said:

I think he cares as well. That being said, look at his GWR, he is beyond washed up. The fact that he thinks he can compete with the top 10 in the GWR is Laughable at best.

His GWR is based on being injured, not his golfing ability.  He's come back from injury and done quite well before, so there's no reason he can't again if he's healthy.  

[Golfingdad]

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-woods-registers-for-2016-us-open-at-oakmont?mbid=social_facebook

I doubt that the US Open will be his first tournament, but at least we know he'll be playing by then. 

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-woods-registers-for-2016-us-open-at-oakmont?mbid=social_facebook

I doubt that the US Open will be his first tournament, but at least we know he'll be playing by then. 

Hmm, I hope he's medically cleared

[pumaAttack]

46 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-woods-registers-for-2016-us-open-at-oakmont?mbid=social_facebook

I doubt that the US Open will be his first tournament, but at least we know he'll be playing by then. 

No way he is jumping right into tournament golf at Oakmont.  

All signs pointing to a Wells Fargo or Memorial appearance for Tiger.

The question is, who has higher expectations.  Us or him?

[nevets88]

53 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Hmm, I hope he's medically cleared

Exactamundo. It feels abrupt. What do I know about his physical condition though? I just don't want to see another trunk slam on a weekday. I want the vintage old Tiger Woods back.

[Chilli Dipper]

2 hours ago, pumaAttack said:

No way he is jumping right into tournament golf at Oakmont.  

All signs pointing to a Wells Fargo or Memorial appearance for Tiger.

The question is, who has higher expectations.  Us or him?

If Tiger trusts his swing and plays within his current physical capabilities, he can climb his way back to the top of the game. He did just that in the latter part of 2012 extending through 2013, so I have no doubt he can do it one more time. I am agnostic over whether Tiger will get there again, because he's only that Tiger for 18 months out of the last six years, and he wasn't that Tiger for only 18 months (at most) of the decade before that.

In the glimpses of Tiger playing golf that have leaked since he started hitting balls again, he's looked great. His swing is smooth, relaxed; almost effortless. We've seen that Tiger on the range prior to nearly tournament since 2010, but that swing tends not to follow him between the ropes. Too often, he abandons all notions of form, and instead resorts to clobbering the ball with violent lashes. Maybe he could get away with that in his mid-twenties, when he was in between the swings of Harmon and Haney, but he doesn't have the body for that anymore. Inevitably, he injures himself, and the reset button is hit once more. He's running out of pushes.

[Wally Fairway]

3 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-woods-registers-for-2016-us-open-at-oakmont?mbid=social_facebook

I doubt that the US Open will be his first tournament, but at least we know he'll be playing by then. 

No we really don't know he will be playing by then; there was a deadline to register so he met the deadline. He can withdraw at any point before the tournament. This is just an administrative task that keeps the option of playing open at this time.
He is exempt from qualifying, but he still has to register - that is all that we know.

[Golfingdad]

13 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

No we really don't know he will be playing by then; there was a deadline to register so he met the deadline. He can withdraw at any point before the tournament. This is just an administrative task that keeps the option of playing open at this time.
He is exempt from qualifying, but he still has to register - that is all that we know.

Fair point.

And this doesn't go against what you said, but for the record, he registered on April 4th according to the article, and the deadline is this Wednesday evening.

(I included the link in case anybody out there wants to register) 

[colin007]

1 hour ago, Chilli Dipper said:

If Tiger trusts his swing and plays within his current physical capabilities, he can climb his way back to the top of the game. He did just that in the latter part of 2012 extending through 2013, so I have no doubt he can do it one more time. I am agnostic over whether Tiger will get there again, because he's only that Tiger for 18 months out of the last six years, and he wasn't that Tiger for only 18 months (at most) of the decade before that.

In the glimpses of Tiger playing golf that have leaked since he started hitting balls again, he's looked great. His swing is smooth, relaxed; almost effortless. We've seen that Tiger on the range prior to nearly tournament since 2010, but that swing tends not to follow him between the ropes. Too often, he abandons all notions of form, and instead resorts to clobbering the ball with violent lashes. Maybe he could get away with that in his mid-twenties, when he was in between the swings of Harmon and Haney, but he doesn't have the body for that anymore. Inevitably, he injures himself, and the reset button is hit once more. He's running out of pushes.

I think this is precisely the point. I think he could play his range swing for another ten years, but he seems to throw that swing out the window on the first tee of the tourney.