Jason, Amanda Dufner Getting a Divorce

[dkolo]

The first sign you lost an argument is when you start attacking the grammar.

I do not agree with that. If you get divorced multiple times you might just have bad luck in relationships. There are a lot of very good people who end up in multiple marriages. I think you are making a poor generalization.

"Poor generalizations" may as well be the new name of this thread.

[skydog]

The first sign you lost an argument is when you start attacking the grammar.

I do not agree with that. If you get divorced multiple times you might just have bad luck in relationships. There are a lot of very good people who end up in multiple marriages. I think you are making a poor generalization.

::pulling hair out::. Good heavens...not an argument I was trying to make. Just came in here to say that the 46% divorce rate is inflated and the true rate among most of the population is a good bit lower. I couldn't care less what anyone wants to call or not call someone who's gotten divorced five times.

(And for the record, among my group of buddies, being called a degenerate would be one of the nicer things anyone says to one another.)

[Mr. Desmond]

All I've got to say is that a lot of us were brought up on religious or secular romantic fairly tales about marriage, were not prepared adequately, did not know how to prepare, did not prepare adequately after initial lack of success in choosing a partner, and did not recognize issues soon enough, and did not have the communication and other necessary skills. It is up to the individual to either work on these issues to offer them a higher probability of a great partnership, or not work on these issues and ensure that their cycle continues... instead of degenerate, I'd say that's not being aware.

[Patch]

I have been married to the same gal for 42 years. She's smarter than me, and over the years, she has made more money than me. I ain't going anywhere.

Now, most of all the posts on this topic,  on various forums, are blaming Amanda, and think Jason got a bad deal in the relationship. Let's just suppose, because no one really has first hand knowledge of the situation, that the problem is his, and not her's?

[saevel25]

::pulling hair out::. Good heavens...not an argument I was trying to make. Just came in here to say that the 46% divorce rate is inflated and the true rate among most of the population is a good bit lower. I couldn't care less what anyone wants to call or not call someone who's gotten divorced five times.

(And for the record, among my group of buddies, being called a degenerate would be one of the nicer things anyone says to one another.)

I would say the divorce rate is the divorce rate even if you include those who have multiple divorces. I don't think it is inflated at all.

Nah, degenerate is a pretty bad thing to say about someone. That blatantly attacks who a person is. I could say poor judgement in a lot of cases. To think it is one of the nicer things to say is pretty incorrect. To basically call someone immoral or corrupt because relationships do not work out is just stupid.

[Valleygolfer]

If you're going to try and call me a scumbag for some reason, can you at least perfect your subject/verb agreement first?

I don't really care to, so no.

[big-e]

Sure, let me explain, my good man. You said that you could not think of a scenario “where one would be getting married and NOT trying to "further" themselves.”

A marriage that is doomed from the start is not based in either party furthering themselves. It’s going to fail regardless to whether one or both of the people further themselves or not. The same can be said generally speaking for 46% of all marriages. Is that furthering oneself? Not to me. I think “some people” blindly enter a marriage thinking this other person will magically fill some void and help the other, as you say, “further” him or herself. The fact is this – before you get married you are your own person and after a divorce or a spouse dies, you are still your own person.

Furthering oneself, either professionally or personally in life, is 100% individual. You can’t expect another person to shore you up, or become a crutch. Reason: putting a spouse in a position like that limits their ability to further him or herself. The best marriages consist of two people that complement one another and two people that can exist without the other.

Thanks so much for the clarification. I thought for a minute there you started your diatribe with a completely subjective notion (doomed from the start) then smattered it with statistics that did not support the opinion in order to hide the initial premise being completely subjective.... Sorry for the mix up.

[Ferguson]

Thanks so much for the clarification. I thought for a minute there you started your diatribe with a completely subjective notion (doomed from the start) then smattered it with statistics that did not support the opinion in order to hide the initial premise being completely subjective.... Sorry for the mix up.

Not a problem. I just think some people enter a marriage thinking as if all marriages end up like a Meg Ryan movie from the 90s. I read somewhere that the things one enjoys most about a person early on in a relationship are the very things one despises later on. Maybe Amanda liked Jason's “playful goofiness” when they first met? Then, one night while both of them were at home watching cartoons, she looked down the sofa at Jason and said to herself, “WTF?” Re: food for thought I think if more folks asked for clarification, we'd have less mud throwing.

[mailman]

And less fun! Regards Mailmane

[Gunther]

I guess Nick Faldo, Jim Nance and Rush Limbaugh are on that list!  Well definitely Limbaugh.

Rush is my hero. At least Skydog labeled a nebulous group. Count me outraged that you essentially called Rush a degenerate. ;-)

[k-troop]

Rush is my hero. At least Skydog labeled a nebulous group. Count me outraged that you essentially called Rush a degenerate. ;-)

Methinks you don't know what the word "hero" means. :-)

[Ferguson]

^^All I was alluding to here. There are 'repeat offenders' who skew the 46% statistic. Anyways, I'll leave this thread to the likes of Ferguson.

Give a warm "JASON and AMANDA THREAD" welcome to my posse, "The Likes of Ferguson." Swill awaiting those revised divorce stats.

[14ledo81]

Can we stop with the personal name calling/attacks????

[Quadhole]

I have been married to the same gal for 42 years. She's smarter than me, and over the years, she has made more money than me. I ain't going anywhere.

Now, most of all the posts on this topic,  on various forums, are blaming Amanda, and think Jason got a bad deal in the relationship. Let's just suppose, because no one really has first hand knowledge of the situation, that the problem is his, and not her's?

Yep, sure that is what happened. He said, I want you out there in the public eye, taking pictures with Celebs. I certainly dont want you home rasing a family, making sure the house get's built correctly. Futher more, I want to see you in playboy and on all talk shows. If not, well then, I want a divorce.

After years of seeing this same type of stuff, weather it was Percilla Presley, or the guy that slept with Ana Nicole. Gold Digging is just that... Hooking up with someone because you are HOT, or good looking and want to be seen, and or gaining a huge financial advantage from the marriage. Beverly Hills houswives. Hell, the one guy killed himself and his Ex had a lot to do with it. What did she do ? wrote a book....

It happens every day. It is just obtuse to downplay it, not you I am speaking about, but to downplay it, as if, to only take the highroad and pretend like you don't have a real opinion just to protect your "IMAGE"

I would rather tell it like it is, be right 49 out of 50 times and get BASHED on the 50th for giving a poor opinion rather than always say "you never know, or it could be opposite" and NOT man up because I never want to be wrong or have a negative outlook on a situation.

No doubt he made a bad bad choice and it was all about the excitement. He will do much better next time, so will she...

[Gunther]

Methinks you don't know what the word "hero" means. :-)

Man crush perhaps?

[k-troop]

Man crush perhaps?

Ha! That works

[colin007]

Is the divorce rate calculated based on the number of divorces per year vs the number of marriages per year? If so that might be a skewed stat.

[Ferguson]

Is the divorce rate calculated based on the number of divorces per year vs the number of marriages per year? If so that might be a skewed stat.

I think it's measured per 1000 marriages via survey. It's rough. There is no question that data on divorce, like so much social-science data, are imperfect. The data changes by area and changes by year. One thing I know to be true is that fewer people are getting married, so maybe, just maybe people are thinking before they decide to marry? For whatever reason(s) they split, Jason won't be the same for a while - that is a fact.