Taking good balls from range buckets

[Hardspoon]

The uncoordinated lady that spilled coffee on herself still cheated McDonald's out of millions. I'm sure she and her lawyer donated all the settlement to charity knowing they didn't deserve a penny.

The final award was only $640,000, and they settled for less than $600k.  Also, that lawsuit was not nearly as frivolous as most people think... it's actually interesting if you read up on it.

[Pretzel]

Thanks for the link. I heard that 10-20 yrs ago and never heard anything else about it.

The uncoordinated lady that spilled coffee on herself still cheated McDonald's out of millions. I'm sure she and her lawyer donated all the settlement to charity knowing they didn't deserve a penny.

Back of topic:

Let's discuss "Balls"

See, I actually went over the McDonald's lawsuit in one of my college courses and it's not as bad as it sounds initially. The McDonald's was serving coffee at temperatures far higher than it was supposed to according to coffee manufacturers (in excess of 200 degrees, just short of boiling). The lady was an old woman who was trying to take the lid off of her coffee to add cream and sugar, while sitting in the passenger's seat of a parked car.

How many of you can say that you haven't ever spilled a drink on yourself by trying to take the lid off at least once? It just so happens that when this lady did it she was exposed to coffee that was hotter than it was ever supposed to be, causing 2nd and 3rd degree burns).

The action of her removing the lid to add cream and sugar was an expected one by the company, which they knew would expose a customer to coffee that was hotter than how it was supposed to be served according to coffee experts. The customer was expected to remove the lid from their to-go cup in order to add cream and sugar, essentially removing the protection McDonald's offered the customer from their dangerously hot coffee. This is why McDonald's had to pay the lady and also redesign the lid for their to-go cup, so that cream or sugar could feasibly be added with the lid still on the cup.

The lawsuit was reasonable. McDonald's was expected to reasonably protect the customer from their coffee, when ordered to-go in a vehicle, by providing a lid. They failed to do so by requiring the customer to remove the lid to complete an expected action in the form of adding cream or sugar to their coffee. Because McDonald's required customers to remove their reasonable protection to complete an expected action, they could then be held liable for the damages incurred due to a lack of said protection.

[RFKFREAK]

To all of you who have voted "Take it without Hesitation", I would query you this: if the range buckets were full to the ever lovin' brim with shiny, bright, new ProVs...would ya snipe a few? C'mon, there's thousand of them, brightly, shiny, beautiful ProVs. We're talking a scenario where it's a pretty sure bet that the range paid for all those balls. But...there's a sea of them, buckets and buckets of brightly, shiny, new Tour balls. Who's gonna know the difference?? Grab a few.

Do ya do it? Even just once? Be honest, do/would ya?

I'll reveal my answer later.

So, I don't think you revealed your answer, and, since it's later, inquiring minds would like to know, @Ernest Jones .

[Valleygolfer]

[SPOILER=Off Topic Lawsuit Comment]See, I actually went over the McDonald's lawsuit in one of my college courses and it's not as bad as it sounds initially. The McDonald's was serving coffee at temperatures far higher than it was supposed to according to coffee manufacturers (in excess of 200 degrees, just short of boiling). The lady was an old woman who was trying to take the lid off of her coffee to add cream and sugar, while sitting in the passenger's seat of a parked car.   How many of you can say that you haven't ever spilled a drink on yourself by trying to take the lid off at least once? It just so happens that when this lady did it she was exposed to coffee that was hotter than it was ever supposed to be, causing 2nd and 3rd degree burns).    The action of her removing the lid to add cream and sugar was an expected one by the company, which they knew would expose a customer to coffee that was hotter than how it was supposed to be served according to coffee experts. The customer was expected to remove the lid from their to-go cup in order to add cream and sugar, essentially removing the protection McDonald's offered the customer from their dangerously hot coffee. This is why McDonald's had to pay the lady and also redesign the lid for their to-go cup, so that cream or sugar could feasibly be added with the lid still on the cup.   The lawsuit was reasonable. McDonald's was expected to reasonably protect the customer from their coffee, when ordered to-go in a vehicle, by providing a lid. They failed to do so by requiring the customer to remove the lid to complete an expected action in the form of adding cream or sugar to their coffee. Because McDonald's required customers to remove their reasonable protection to complete an expected action, they could then be held liable for the damages incurred due to a lack of said protection. [/SPOILER]

Who says you can't learn anything in a golf forum...

[Yukari]

This discussion is still going on?

[Dave2512]

Yes it is and so is ithe companion thread "is it okay to steal hotel towels".

[colin007]

Yes it is and so is ithe companion thread "is it okay to steal hotel towels".

My favorite washcloth is a thin scratchy bleached to death washcloth that I STOLE from a Comfort Inn in Massachusetts. I sleep just fine. Now....what if you go to a hotel and in the bathroom is a towel that's clearly NOT a hotel towel? Just like a ball that's not a range ball?

[Ernest Jones]

So, I don't think you revealed your answer, and, since it's later, inquiring minds would like to know, @Ernest Jones . ;-)

Ha! Fair enough. I actually made the grand reveal in this thread's sister topic. [quote name="Ernest Jones" url="/t/84357/bringing-drinks-coolers-on-to-the-course/0_100#post_1197529"]It's pretty rare that I drink alcohol while golfing. I have though, both smuggled in beer/whiskey or purchased from the cart girl. I have no real qualms about drinking "outside beverages"  on the course. However, contrary to some of the dingbats posting in the rangeball thread I have no problem admitting that when I do sneak liquor onto the course I am clearly in the wrong. I also don't really give a rats ass if someone snags a pretty little pearl from the range bucket, just don't try to justify it as being right. [/quote] And here: [quote name="Ernest Jones" url="/t/84357/bringing-drinks-coolers-on-to-the-course/0_100#post_1197559"]More or less, yep. Sometimes I do things that are "wrong" but at least I own up to it instead of spewing some convoluted nonsense in an attempt to justify it. What can I say, I'm a bad ass mo-fo. [/quote] I have no recollection of ever stealing a ball from the range, but don't really care if I or someone else did. In the grand scheme it's pretty insignificant. Wrong? Absolutely! Give a shit? Not really. I have absolutely brought booze on the course. I rarely drink on course but on the occasions I do it's probably 65% on course purchase and 35% smuggler's delight. But I don't try to pretend it's actually legal to do so, I just accept the fact that I can be a little O.G. at times.

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="RGoosen" url="/t/84262/taking-good-balls-from-range-buckets/432#post_1197793"] Thanks for the link. I heard that 10-20 yrs ago and never heard anything else about it. The uncoordinated lady that spilled coffee on herself still cheated McDonald's out of millions. I'm sure she and her lawyer donated all the settlement to charity knowing they didn't deserve a penny. Back of topic: Let's discuss "Balls"[/QUOTE] [SPOILER=Off Topic Lawsuit Comment]See, I actually went over the McDonald's lawsuit in one of my college courses and it's not as bad as it sounds initially. The McDonald's was serving coffee at temperatures far higher than it was supposed to according to coffee manufacturers (in excess of 200 degrees, just short of boiling). The lady was an old woman who was trying to take the lid off of her coffee to add cream and sugar, while sitting in the passenger's seat of a parked car.   How many of you can say that you haven't ever spilled a drink on yourself by trying to take the lid off at least once? It just so happens that when this lady did it she was exposed to coffee that was hotter than it was ever supposed to be, causing 2nd and 3rd degree burns).    The action of her removing the lid to add cream and sugar was an expected one by the company, which they knew would expose a customer to coffee that was hotter than how it was supposed to be served according to coffee experts. The customer was expected to remove the lid from their to-go cup in order to add cream and sugar, essentially removing the protection McDonald's offered the customer from their dangerously hot coffee. This is why McDonald's had to pay the lady and also redesign the lid for their to-go cup, so that cream or sugar could feasibly be added with the lid still on the cup.   The lawsuit was reasonable. McDonald's was expected to reasonably protect the customer from their coffee, when ordered to-go in a vehicle, by providing a lid. They failed to do so by requiring the customer to remove the lid to complete an expected action in the form of adding cream or sugar to their coffee. Because McDonald's required customers to remove their reasonable protection to complete an expected action, they could then be held liable for the damages incurred due to a lack of said protection. [/SPOILER]

It's obvious that 200F coffee is going to be hot, the exact temperature isn't going to change the outcome. She decided to put it between her legs and lift the lid off instead of waiting until it cools down or whatever. It would be considered pretty stupid to put a cigar between your legs and lighting it with one of those flame torch lighters, just as it sounds pretty stupid to put anything hot between your legs and doing whatever. . . Also, the optimum brewing temperature for coffee is 195-205F as published by the national coffee association.

[RGoosen]

Suddenly the 600,000$ cup of McDonalds coffee seems more interesting than whether someone can touch someone else's balls or not. :)

[billchao]

I'm just going to lock this thread since it's abundantly clear that this discussion is going to go nowhere, has been going around in circles for a while, and has devolved into a bunch of off-topic discussion and color commentary. If another mod comes along and feels differently then they can unlock it, but for now, it's done.

What I've concluded is:

• Some people see it as theft.
• Some people don't.
• Nobody can convince anybody else otherwise.

If y'all want to continue your side discussions about whatever, feel free to start up new threads

[iacas]

Courts get it a** backwards all the time. What % of people honestly believes the uncoordinated women in McDonald's drive through deserves millions @ McDonald's expense b/c SHE spills her own coffee on herself????

As mentioned, you have some of the facts on that one wrong.

Also:

@mvmac and I didn't take any.