Kaepernick Sits for National Anthem

[drmevo]

39 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

I haven't read anything on how the union came to the position they took, my guess is there was a vote but I could be wrong.  

I also agree the whole situation is asinine.  I'd like to see CK do a bit more for those he believes are oppressed than sit out the anthem and wear stupid socks.  He's made millions, how about he invests some time and money to helping to fix the problem rather than just draw attention to himself.  

For whatever it's worth, he did say he was donating $1 million to community programs or something like that.

[newtogolf]

18 minutes ago, drmevo said:

For whatever it's worth, he did say he was donating $1 million to community programs or something like that.

If he follows through I'll have a lot more respect for him. 

[paininthenuts]

On 9/2/2016 at 1:39 PM, Gunther said:

The facts he has been fed around his "opinion" are completely false.  Cops aren't killing blacks at a rate any higher than whites, Michael Brown's killing was proven justified, the cops were proven innocent in the Baltimore thing.  When cops kill in an unjustified manner, they are charged and convicted.  So, he's just another useful idiot for the hate group promoting these inane, anarchist ideas.

He was booed lustily, in SF no less.  This will cost him endorsement dollars and it's not something a stint on Dancing with the Stars can fix.

Your right. If a cop kills a white guy, it's considered a necessary homicide to maintain law and order, if he kills a black person it's supposedly a racist act. Same in the UK I am afraid.  To many chips on to many shoulders !!

[newtogolf]

11 minutes ago, paininthenuts said:

Your right. If a cop kills a white guy, it's considered a necessary homicide to maintain law and order, if he kills a black person it's supposedly a racist act. Same in the UK I am afraid.  To many chips on to many shoulders !!

Thank the media for that, because the ratings don't move as much when a white person gets killed by a police officer.  Nobody riots, loots stores and sets fire to cars and businesses when white people are killed by cops.  

[ghalfaire]

Certainly a sensitive subject.  I believe the man has right to sit if he chooses.  But it seems a poor choice of how a person can draw attention to his cause.  There a probably better ways than pissing off the very people you are trying to influence to support your cause our choosing a method of drawing attention so controversial that what gets discussed is you and the method.

[Golfingdad]

This story came out yesterday where Megan Rapinoe (professional soccer player for those who don't know) said she was going to support Kaepernick and take a knee during the anthem of their game.  The team got wind of the plan and nipped it in the bud by playing the anthem before the teams took the field.  I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on that, but something in the teams statement struck me:

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“To willingly allow anyone to hijack this tradition that means so much to millions of Americans and so many of our own fans for any cause would effectively be just as disrespectful as doing it ourselves. Professional athletes have incredible numbers of followers, to which we believe they have the ability to articulate a conversation with objectives and plans and begin a serious conversation directly, or through traditional media appearances, without insulting our military and our fans.

“We do regret that this decision has denied the players who had no intention of taking a knee their own opportunity to honor our great country from the field. This is an issue we are communicating to and with them about personally.”

The section I bolded there I found interesting.  I'm sure it's not wrong, but I got me thinking just how silly the whole tradition is and why in the world we even do it.  I've never really considered why we sing the National Anthem before most big sporting events, but I've always been fine with it, just because that's what we do.  But once I read that line I realized that it certainly doesn't mean anything to me in that regard, especially considering large numbers of our professional baseball, soccer and hockey players aren't even American.

I don't know.  I don't care that much either way, but I'd be perfectly fine if we just didn't do the anthem at all at sporting events.  (Save the anthems for the Olympic champions) :)

[CarlSpackler]

@Golfingdad I made a similar comment to my wife last week. I'm not sure why we play the SSB  before sporting events. 

[boogielicious]

18 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

This story came out yesterday where Megan Rapinoe (professional soccer player for those who don't know) said she was going to support Kaepernick and take a knee during the anthem of their game.  The team got wind of the plan and nipped it in the bud by playing the anthem before the teams took the field.  I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on that, but something in the teams statement struck me:

The section I bolded there I found interesting.  I'm sure it's not wrong, but I got me thinking just how silly the whole tradition is and why in the world we even do it.  I've never really considered why we sing the National Anthem before most big sporting events, but I've always been fine with it, just because that's what we do.  But once I read that line I realized that it certainly doesn't mean anything to me in that regard, especially considering large numbers of our professional baseball, soccer and hockey players aren't even American.

I don't know.  I don't care that much either way, but I'd be perfectly fine if we just didn't do the anthem at all at sporting events.  (Save the anthems for the Olympic champions) :)

It's kind of like the Pledge of Allegiance. It has become traditional, but did not start out that way. Now it's blasphemous if you don't do it or say, "under God.".

The pessimist in me thinks that sports teams started doing it to get fans in their seats for the start of the game. The optimist thinks it may have been a way to get fans to feel proud of themselves.

[phillyk]

8 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

@Golfingdad I made a similar comment to my wife last week. I'm not sure why we play the SSB  before sporting events. 

My wife made a point that if we watch a sporting event or any event on TV, how many of us stand or do anything when the national anthem plays?

[DeadMan]

I believe we started doing the national anthem before games during World War II, as a way to stoke up patriotism.

I'm personally not a huge fan of doing the national anthem before games, because it cheapens patriotism to me. It becomes routine, and it loses its impact.

[imsys0042]

Reminds me of Lewis Black remarking that the Pledge of Allegiance is coffee for kids.   It wakes you up in the morning.   Very often these things are started and decades later no one understands how they got started.

Nothing wrong with it either way.  

[jsgolfer]

1 hour ago, phillyk said:

My wife made a point that if we watch a sporting event or any event on TV, how many of us stand or do anything when the national anthem plays?

So true, I would say most do not stand.  Including me.

 

2 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

I don't know.  I don't care that much either way, but I'd be perfectly fine if we just didn't do the anthem at all at sporting events.  (Save the anthems for the Olympic champions) :)

Agree.

[StefanUrkel]

I would agree with Colin and BLM. However, when you include:

1. Fidel Castro

2. Pigs and Cops

3. BLM's platform. Wanting reparations, free everything, blah blah

 

Then, they are radical and extremist.  Similar to Occupy and the Tea Party. Started out with good intentions. Now, they are just a joke. 

[Hardspoon]

9 hours ago, boogielicious said:

It's kind of like the Pledge of Allegiance. It has become traditional, but did not start out that way. Now it's blasphemous if you don't do it or say, "under God.".

Fun fact: the "under God" part was only added in the 1950's.

Good summary history of the Anthem at sporting events:

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6957582/the-history-national-anthem-sports-espn-magazine

It was played during the 1918 World Series, and even some earlier events, but not regularly until WWII.

 

[Valleygolfer]

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[Elmer]

On 9/8/2016 at 0:46 PM, Golfingdad said:

This story came out yesterday where Megan Rapinoe (professional soccer player for those who don't know) said she was going to support Kaepernick and take a knee during the anthem of their game.  The team got wind of the plan and nipped it in the bud by playing the anthem before the teams took the field.  I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on that, but something in the teams statement struck me:

The section I bolded there I found interesting.  I'm sure it's not wrong, but I got me thinking just how silly the whole tradition is and why in the world we even do it.  I've never really considered why we sing the National Anthem before most big sporting events, but I've always been fine with it, just because that's what we do.  But once I read that line I realized that it certainly doesn't mean anything to me in that regard, especially considering large numbers of our professional baseball, soccer and hockey players aren't even American.

I don't know.  I don't care that much either way, but I'd be perfectly fine if we just didn't do the anthem at all at sporting events.  (Save the anthems for the Olympic champions) :)

So if the Home team plays the Anthem early while the teams are sitting in the locker room, does this still count as "not standing"?

On 9/8/2016 at 1:04 PM, boogielicious said:

It's kind of like the Pledge of Allegiance. It has become traditional, but did not start out that way. Now it's blasphemous if you don't do it or say, "under God.".

The pessimist in me thinks that sports teams started doing it to get fans in their seats for the start of the game. The optimist thinks it may have been a way to get fans to feel proud of themselves.

In my opinion the Anthem at the beginning is faux patriotism with some indoctrination thrown in.  They play the anthem, if you dont stand or take off your hat you are a commie!

On 9/8/2016 at 1:04 PM, phillyk said:

My wife made a point that if we watch a sporting event or any event on TV, how many of us stand or do anything when the national anthem plays?

I am usually sitting on my couch with a beer while wearing a ball cap. I dont stand, Who am I disrespecting?
Another thing to consider:
Are those in the beer line during the Anthem being disrespectful?
What about those still walking thru the concourse?

Or consider how many of the Networks show the Anthem on a regular basis? Not many, most use that opportunity to sell more advertising. Yet no one complains about FOX-NBC-ESPN-CBS for being unpatriotic 

14 hours ago, Hardspoon said:

Fun fact: the "under God" part was only added in the 1950's.

Good summary history of the Anthem at sporting events:

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6957582/the-history-national-anthem-sports-espn-magazine

It was played during the 1918 World Series, and even some earlier events, but not regularly until WWII.

 

Fun fact, The pledge of Allegiance was written by a Christian Socialist as a promotion for the magazine "the Youth Companion" in an effort to sell Flags to school.

[Golfingdad]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

So if the Home team plays the Anthem early while the teams are sitting in the locker room, does this still count as "not standing"?

If a tree falls in the woods ... 

[newtogolf]

Brandon Marshall (Denver Broncos) decided to show support for CK and took a knee during the National Anthem.  It could have been an expensive knee given Air Academy Federal Credit Union terminated their endorsement deal with Marshal due to his decision to kneel.  

There's also word the entire Seattle Seahawks team will take a knee during the National Anthem before their game.