Presidential Candidates Debate

[Hacker James]

I am not particular a political person and while I do have opinions, I usually do not share them in this realm. Tomorrow's debate should be quite lively and unparalled. I am sure there will be lots of jabs in both directions. The republican nominee will undoubtedly goad and bait the other into saying something untoward, after all  he is a Master Baiter !

[Chilli Dipper]

I have to decide which is more masochistic: watching the debate, or watching the Falcons perform their annual choke job in New Orleans.

The Trump campaign, for their part, have set their expectations as low as humanly possible.

[Hacker James]

3 minutes ago, Chilli Dipper said:

I have to decide which is more masochistic: watching the debate, or watching the Falcons perform their annual choke job in New Orleans.

The Trump campaign, for their part, have set their expectations as low as humanly possible.

never heard of Falcons  choking.  Is that anything like "choking the chicken"?

[newtogolf]

I'll watch it for the same reason one watches a train wreck, morbid curiosity.  I doubt we will learn anything new about either candidate.  Seems the media focus is on what stupid comment Trump will make and whether or not Hillary passes out before it's over.  

[Buckeyebowman]

OK, let's consider the source of that article. Could be all "stuff and nonsense". But let's say that there is some substance there. One could "spin" it that Trump doesn't like speaking in sound bites. He'd rather be engaged, and responding to stimuli as they present themselves.

I can remember Al Gore's debates against "Dubya". A question would be asked of him, his head would turn slightly askew, his eyes would get a faraway look, and he'd freeze until his ROM would click into a match. Then, suddenly, he would reanimate and spout some pre-programmed answer. It was like watching a robot debate!

Well, I don't want to watch robots debate! I want to watch real people.

As far as the choices we have, I figure it's like being told that you're going to get a toothache. You have the choice of which side of your mouth you get it!

[StefanUrkel]

It is only entertainment. I feel bad for people that actually thinks there is any big difference between the 2 candidates. 

[DrvFrShow]

How many softball questions get lobbed at each candidate?

How many times will Trump say "Believe me!" and "It's like incredible" the word "tremendous" and "Crooked Hillary"

How many times Hillary will dance around the e-mail scandal? Will Hillary blow up?

Will Hillary challenge Trump to do arithmetic? Or will that be out of bounds? It will be interesting to hear how lowering taxes on the rich and lowering corporate taxes will balance the budget - I've heard that whopper before.

Will Trump challenge Hillary on the 2nd amendment?

Will Hillary challenge Trump on his pandering to the religious right with the "freedom of speech and religion" proposal to allow discrimination against GLBT people. 

Will either of them persuade me to not vote for Gary Johnson?

[gregsandiego]

6 hours ago, StefanUrkel said:

It is only entertainment. I feel bad for people that actually thinks there is any big difference between the 2 candidates. 

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I think that argument is normally valid. Not this year. I'd start out by saying their personalities are complete opposites.

Can you point out some similarities between the two?

 

[boogielicious]

My thoughts are more on whether this thread gets locked like all other ones because folks can't help themselves. 

[newtogolf]

37 minutes ago, gregsandiego said:

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I think that argument is normally valid. Not this year. I'd start out by saying their personalities are complete opposites.

Can you point out some similarities between the two?

 

They will both lie to convince us to vote for them, blame past Presidents and Congress for their inability to effect change and really won't care what you or I think once the election is over.  

[nevets88]

10 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

My thoughts are more on whether this thread gets locked like all other ones because folks can't help themselves. 

Let's have a bet. I say it'll be locked at page 20 

While there's a lot of anticipation and ratings will go through the roof, I don't think we're going to see anything new, it's going to be more of the same, just longer. Ostensibly it's about policy/candidates, but people are looking for zingers and a train wreck.

[boogielicious]

1 minute ago, nevets88 said:

Let's have a bet. I say it'll be locked at page 20 

While there's a lot of anticipation and ratings will go through the roof, I don't think we're going to see anything new, it's going to be more of the same, just longer. Ostensibly it's about policy/candidates, but people are looking for zingers and a train wreck.

Nah. The over-under will be more like page 9.

[iacas]

Just now, boogielicious said:

Nah. The over-under will be more like page 9.

Kind of dumb mods betting since they can lock it whenever they choose.

[Hacker James]

13 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

My thoughts are more on whether this thread gets locked like all other ones because folks can't help themselves. 

wow, I guess I should accept the blame for this one. It was an ill fated attempt at wry humour/sick joke on my part when using word play to indicate that trump is a Master Baiter. I should have known that *any* political topic will go this way. My Bad - Sorry.

[boogielicious]

Just now, iacas said:

Kind of dumb mods betting since they can lock it whenever they choose.

Insider trading???

Just now, Hacker James said:

wow, I guess I should accept the blame for this one. It was an ill fated attempt at wry humour/sick joke on my part when using word play to indicate that trump is a Master Baiter. I should have known that *any* political topic will go this way. My Bad - Sorry.

Don't shy away from starting threads like this. At times we can have civilized discussions on divisive topics. It is up to the posters to follow the rules and act like adults.

[imsys0042]

5 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

They will both lie to convince us to vote for them, blame past Presidents and Congress for their inability to effect change and really won't care what you or I think once the election is over.  

This is a pretty accurate statement, sadly.   On both sides what the candidates promise will never make it through Congress, or has to be so back pedaled to pass.   There are plenty of politicians who outright lie, and many who make promises they know they cannot keep and do it to win votes.  As voters we need to consider what reality is, not whether someone tells us something we want to hear.

 

[newtogolf]

6 minutes ago, imsys0042 said:

This is a pretty accurate statement, sadly.   On both sides what the candidates promise will never make it through Congress, or has to be so back pedaled to pass.   There are plenty of politicians who outright lie, and many who make promises they know they cannot keep and do it to win votes.  As voters we need to consider what reality is, not whether someone tells us something we want to hear.

 

This is correct, anything the candidates promise has to be vetted against, will Congress allow it.  

As long as Republicans hold a majority in Congress, Hillary won't be able to ban guns or make significant changes to the 2nd Amendment.  

Trump won't be able to build a wall unless Congress appropriates the funds to do so, believing Mexico will pay for it, even when threatened is one step above believing in Santa Claus.  

The real difference between Hillary and Trump on issues that they can actually effect is their overall approach on Foreign Policy.  

Trump is more of an isolationist, wants to reduce the number of refugees entering the country, deal with illegal immigration, reduce H1B Visa's and reduce the involvement the US has in overseas military actions.  

Hillary wants more open borders, more refugees, amnesty for illegal aliens, she hasn't really stated much about H1B Visa's and expects the US to play a larger role globally.   

The rest of the stuff is emotional pressure points designed to get us to react and relate to the candidate.  Go back 8 years and watch the Obama debates, all the things he promised that he didn't deliver on, then go back 16 years and watch Bush, he didn't deliver either.  

[Groucho Valentine]

I wish sanders would have won the democratic nomination just to see him burn trump into a piece of cinder on national television...hahaha. But i think these debates are going to be pretty tiresome to watch. Im sure Trump will try bait Clinton and turn the debates into a food fight, but i guess Clintons handlers have prepared against doing that for months. Clinton will want to stay on policy because its her strength and trumps weakness, but she'll come off sounding like a catholic school nun in the process. And in this political climate, the show is probably more important than being right or even telling the truth. 

Edited September 26, 2016 by Groucho Valentine