Heckled More At Riviera: Kuchar Or Garcia

[p1n9183]

Sergio. Bad move to show up in a tournament. Wait a couple of months, then go back to the tour saying that you lernead your lesson away from golf and now everything will be different.

[TN94z]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

It's been mentioned here a few times in the topic that's specific to this.

Point taken.

[RussUK]

Sergio by a country mile.

How could anyone heckle Kuchar other than "Koooooooooch!!"

[NM Golf]

Definitely Sergio, although there could be a lot fewer "KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCHs" being yelled from the stands.

Sergio is a jackass and probably deserves to be heckled. Kuchar, on the other hand, didn't really do anything "wrong", he is just a cheap bastard and might have lost the respect of some of his fans.

Edited February 15, 2019 by NM Golf

[3jacker]

I don't even think he's cheap (or a bastard). He was using a rental caddie. Rental caddies need to accept their role and worth.

[boogielicious]

I’m watching now and I don’t here much noise from the crowd at all when they show Kuchar or anyone else for that matter. 

[iacas]

7 hours ago, RussUK said:

Sergio by a country mile.

How could anyone heckle Kuchar other than "Koooooooooch!!"

Because of the caddie thing…

 

[HJJ003]

I voted Sergio. I think more people are split on Kuchar than Garcia. I think more people will give Garcia a hard time for the hopes of a reaction....

[gbogey]

8 hours ago, RussUK said:

Sergio by a country mile.

How could anyone heckle Kuchar other than "Koooooooooch!!"

If someone yelled "Boooooo" as opposed to "Koooooooch", could you tell the difference?

[Jack Thompson]

What's wrong with you people?  Sergio apologized, twice.  Where is Kuchar's/Moocher's apology? 

[Pretzel]

36 minutes ago, Jack Thompson said:

What's wrong with you people?  Sergio apologized, twice.  Where is Kuchar's/Moocher's apology? 

Kuchar doesn't need to apologize for paying above and beyond what was contracted with his caddy. They agreed to $4,000 for a top 10 finish and Kuchar gave him additional money beyond that thanks to the win.

A percentage of winnings for a win was not in the contract.

[Papa Steve 55]

I'm going to buck the trend and say Matt. Personally I have no issue that he paid his employee the amount agreed upon before the event started. I just think for a lot of people its going to smack of a rich guy screwing a little guy. Sergio was just being himself and had no effect on anybody else. 

[3jacker]

He paid more than the amount agreed upon.

 

Only on golf boards on the internet is this a thing.  It has no traction out there in the real world.

[gbogey]

So a serious side question - if that's a fair pay scale for a local caddie, why not use a local caddie every week?  Seems like it would save money and a good local caddie should know the course well to provide some local knowledge.

[klineka]

17 minutes ago, gbogey said:

So a serious side question - if that's a fair pay scale for a local caddie, why not use a local caddie every week?  Seems like it would save money and a good local caddie should know the course well to provide some local knowledge.

With so much money on the line I would want someone I can trust. Someone who knows my game, how I have performed in the past on certain holes, and knows exactly what to say at the right moment. Not some random local caddie. Some of these tour pros have been playing these courses for years and have a lot of experience at the courses as well

[DaveP043]

18 minutes ago, gbogey said:

So a serious side question - if that's a fair pay scale for a local caddie, why not use a local caddie every week?  Seems like it would save money and a good local caddie should know the course well to provide some local knowledge.

I think a lot of players value a caddie's knowledge of his (the player's) specific abilities, preferences, attitudes,they value a personal relationship more than they value detailed course knowledge.  For some players, it seems like the caddie is as much a shrink as anything else.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Jack Thompson said:

What's wrong with you people?  Sergio apologized, twice.  Where is Kuchar's/Moocher's apology? 

Kuchar didn't necessarily do anything "wrong" - he's just seem by some - not all - as "cheap."

What Sergio did - five separate times - was seen as "bad" by all.

23 minutes ago, gbogey said:

So a serious side question - if that's a fair pay scale for a local caddie, why not use a local caddie every week?  Seems like it would save money and a good local caddie should know the course well to provide some local knowledge.

Short answer: because a trusted caddie adds more value than you'd otherwise get from a local dude. If they save you ten shots a year they will often have more than made up for the difference, plus, it makes the experience much better. And they do other things like map the course, carry your bag on practice days and around the practice areas, rake up balls for you, etc.

[gbogey]

22 minutes ago, iacas said:

If they save you ten shots a year they will often have more than made up for the difference, plus, it makes the experience much better. And they do other things like map the course, carry your bag on practice days and around the practice areas, rake up balls for you, etc.

I agree with everything you are saying, but it just solidifies that MK was a little cheap here.  Obviously the local guy didn't make the experience negative or he wouldn't have played well.  He should have offered the guy $10K-20K more at a minimum when he won and instead paid $1K.  

Supposedly the PGA TOUR has a recommended pay scale for when you use a local caddie - has that ever been disclosed in all this internet chatter?