Tiger Woods Master Catch-All Discussion

[Groucho Valentine]

The two flubbed chips i guess are a concern if you're into the narrative that tiger has lost his nerve over those shots, but tight lies into the grain on bermuda?  Thats tough.  I didn't see all of the round yesterday, but Tiger still seemed like he was doing that thing where he aims left and saws the ball out right on a few irons. That isn't really good.. Nice round from him, though.  

[iacas]

43 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

I didn't see all of the round yesterday, but Tiger still seemed like he was doing that thing where he aims left and saws the ball out right on a few irons. That isn't really good.. Nice round from him, though.  

I didn't see that. I saw the whole round.

[Ty_Webb]

3 minutes ago, iacas said:

I didn't see that. I saw the whole round.

He did it with one approach shot on the par five on the back nine from the fairway. Maybe the 11th? I have a feeling he was playing for the wind and just fanned it. That was the only time I noticed it and I watched almost every shot he hit.

[TN94z]

47 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

The two flubbed chips i guess are a concern if you're into the narrative that tiger has lost his nerve over those shots, but tight lies into the grain on bermuda?  Thats tough.  I didn't see all of the round yesterday, but Tiger still seemed like he was doing that thing where he aims left and saws the ball out right on a few irons. That isn't really good.. Nice round from him, though.  

Tiger wasn't the only one having that issue with the lies yesterday though.  I don't think it was a nerves issue as much as the bounce of the club just not getting a chance to work. I thought his drives looked great overall. He had a couple of off line drives but nowhere near as bad as I somewhat expected them to be. I agree...I thought he had a very nice round considering the situation

[JetFan1983]

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

I didn't see that. I saw the whole round.

I think this is the only shot he did that all day:

I guess he did it here as well, but this isn't a gimme shot, given the wind and yardage:

Overall, I'd say pretty great round, although Tiger has often said to people he tends to play really well in the early going of a return of a long layoff. Then it's all downhill from there haha. Hopefully that's not the case this time around. 

 

I really don't feel like going thru this entire video to find their conversation on this, but it's close enough. Tiger does agree with Rory at some point during this round on this. 

[phillyk]

6 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

He did it with one approach shot on the par five on the back nine from the fairway. Maybe the 11th? I have a feeling he was playing for the wind and just fanned it. That was the only time I noticed it and I watched almost every shot he hit.

There was another big miss right with his iron that he aimed at left edge of green. The pin was tucked back left behind bunker and next to water. Like a lot of other guys he missed right of the green. But his was a bigger slice tho. This particular shot was on pro-tracer. 

[iacas]

53 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

He did it with one approach shot on the par five on the back nine from the fairway. Maybe the 11th? I have a feeling he was playing for the wind and just fanned it. That was the only time I noticed it and I watched almost every shot he hit.

Left is dead on 11, and left on the par 3 that @phillyk said is water, so…yeah, he fans those for fear of pulling them a touch and getting into the shit. I don't see that as a swing flaw, though, maybe a lack of commitment and/or a bit of rust.

[Ty_Webb]

Just now, iacas said:

Left is dead on 11, and left on the par 3 that @phillyk said is water, so…yeah, he fans those for fear of pulling them a touch and getting into the shit. I don't see that as a swing flaw, though, maybe a lack of commitment and/or a bit of rust.

I don't think it was a swing flaw that he fanned those shots. I think that was a last minute "don't miss left" thought that popped into his head. The issue in question was more that he was aiming left with his body. He was doing that in 2015 or so quite a lot. My guess is he feels comfortable doing that and under pressure he reverts. I'm sure he'll work it out and it was only on those two shots it sounds like. I commented because I did notice it too. I'd rather he aimed it straighter and didn't try to hit a cut in that situation. Neither time did he hit a remotely good shot. He missed them both substantially to the right. Take 11. He was about 250 out I think, aiming it maybe 30 yards left of the green with his body and wound up missing 40+ yards short and right. It wasn't that windy. 40 yards right of the flag (and his target given the pin position should have been left of the flag) is a big miss for a world class player even from 250.

He had other left to right wind shots and didn't do it. 

[Zeph]

2 hours ago, colin007 said:

I think that's the favorite stat of any troo Tiger fan....

So it seems like Tigs has some length back, no? I mean he blew it by Thomas several times, significantly.

The way he's going after the ball on his drives, I'm not surprised it's going a long way. LIke 5:08 in this video.

 

[Braivo]

We could analyze every shot of any other golfer in the field and find similar or equally weighty issues. He's the middle of the pack right now in a field with many of the best golfers the world has ever seen, I'd say he is doing just fine. 

Any predictions for today's round?

I'll say 67 as he will improve on the Par 5s. 

[colin007]

Interesting article on Tigs. Long, but good. Said my wife, never.

https://theundefeated.com/features/welcome-back-tiger-woods-pga-tour-hero-world-challenge/

[Yukari]

Depending on the wind, but if the wind does not kick up too bad, I think 65 is in play for Tiger, given his poor scores on par 5's yesterday.

 

[iacas]

59 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

The issue in question was more that he was aiming left with his body.

I don't think that's an issue at all. Why should he aim "straight" at the target? If he's trying to hit a fade, he should probably aim left. The ball has to start there, and he has to swing left, too.

59 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

I'd rather he aimed it straighter and didn't try to hit a cut in that situation. Neither time did he hit a remotely good shot.

He hit good shots from similar setups, too. The 2-iron was similar on an earlier hole, the first par five that he two-putted for birdie was similar IIRC. I'll watch a bit today, but… I think he's fine, and just bailed last minute to not miss left.

59 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

He was about 250 out I think, aiming it maybe 30 yards left of the green with his body and wound up missing 40+ yards short and right. It wasn't that windy. 40 yards right of the flag (and his target given the pin position should have been left of the flag) is a big miss for a world class player even from 250.

No… left of the flag is dead on 11.

I think Brandel even said that.

[Ty_Webb]

Left of the green maybe. The flag was cut tight to the right - you can see that at 8:11 on the videos linked above. Where he wound up he had no shot and hit his third about 50 feet.

In other news - great drive on 1 today. 67 all day baby. Awful shirt

Edited December 1, 2017 by Ty_Webb

[iacas]

31 minutes ago, Ty_Webb said:

Where he wound up he had no shot and hit his third about 50 feet.

He had more of a shot from there than 50 feet. The 50 foot shot was an "I'm not gonna chunk this one." And from 250, "left half of the green" is not that far from "left of the green." C'mon…

[Braivo]

A Tiger Woods / Jordan Spieth final pairing on the weekend would be superb theater. 

[nevets88]

I can't find the meme, but it wasn't long ago that everyone went dark when Woods said he might never play again. Such is the vicissitudes of life. 

The meme was a split graphic, one side saying I'll never play again. Then the other side, Tiger is hitting short game shots!

[JetFan1983]

This is over a year old, but I thought this was pretty fun. Tiger club twirls compilation: 

 

Edited December 4, 2017 by JetFan1983