Separate Tees / By Age or By Hdcp

[disco111]

Should you base playing tees upon your age or hdcp? 

I'm 72, but still have a half way decent game. My weekend group is mostly younger flat bellies that can really move the ball. Now even though they have finally allowed me to play from the white tees (normal men's tees) and they play from the blues, they still out drive me by 60 to 100 yds. Par 5's are were I really get clobbered, but they totally balk at letting me go to the senior tees. The second part of my delima is that the seniors that play at our club don't want me in their groups, so I'm kind of stuck in limbo. The competition is what keeps my interest alive, but even though we play for only a few bucks a round (skins and greenies), I'm kind of tired of being shut out every time I play. Open to any and all suggestions.   

[DaveP043]

5 minutes ago, disco111 said:

I'm kind of tired of being shut out every time I play. 

You don't mention whether you play net games, or gross.  If you're playing net, and you lose every week, perhaps some of the handicap aren't what they should be.,  Or perhaps you need to play games in which the other scoring aspects can win you some money.

That aside, I think most people suggest selecting tees based on driving distance.  Most people dislike having to hit long irons or woods to most par 4 holes, although if you're playing off 5 you're probably more comfortable with that than most.  

[Dave2512]

Handicap considering most are oblivious about actual driving average, tends to be best drive average not my worst is 180 and best is 290 so I average 235  in reality average. But age no way. Some of the worst and most oblivious golfers I encounter are young and unskilled playing too far back.

[disco111]

We just throw in 5 for skins and 4 for greenies (that's the main game for everybody, but what you do in your own group is over this). I really couldn't play total score against these guys, either net or gross. That 5 you see is more like a 10 now. I should change that...... I'm just looking to try an level the playing field. Our par 3's (4 of them ) can average anywhere from 210 to 250 from the back tees and when I had to play from there, I was hitting 3wds or driver against their 4 or 5 irons. Moving up to the whites and then the blues get changed also, they average for me anywhere from 175 to 190. While they now hit a 6 or 5 with their adjusted tee, I'm hitting 4 or 3. If I hit from the senior tees, we're hitting the same clubs. The par 4 I can deal with, but the par 5's I'm at a very big distance disadvantage. They can get hone in 2 most days and if I hit from the seniors then I can get there in 2 with 2 really good shots. From the whites, no way even on my best day. 

[Aflighter]

Age shouldnt be the factor.Should be based on hcp.If playing longer tees makes your hcp go up then move up.

[DrvFrShow]

Are you playing net? From what tees is your handicap? If it's from the senior tees, your course handicap will be a stroke or two higher from the whites.

It doesn't sound like you're having much fun out there. Time to get grumpy about it, and just move up. 

It's the dilemma I face. I took up the game a few years ago. I'm 63. I played in the ladies club. First year was fine. Second year... not so fine. I started hitting longer and throwing off the group tempo. I could reach 400 yd "par 5s" in 2. So the group would have to wait at 170 yds for the green to clear sometimes twice so I could hit a 6 iron on. Then the course would back up and I'd get yelled at for slow play. So I quit the league this year and found a 71 year old woman who hits about like I do.

[Patch]

Age is not a factor. If you are competitive with your group from a different set of tees than they use, they should be competitive enough to let you play from "your correct tees". Them not wanting you to play from your correct tees sounds like they are keeping you from being competitive with them. They just want your money. In a friendly sort of way I presume. 

[chilepepper]

Something is wrong with the group your playing with if they don't want you to move up........that or they are taking your money and want to keep it that way

I play with one group where shorter hitters are encouraged to move up. Another group I play with uses handicaps from that course only established in that groups games only. Either way it's fun and fairly competitive for all

Edited July 14, 2016 by chilepepper

[bkuehn1952]

Weigh the fact that your group is milking you for $5 (or more?) each round versus the enjoyment you seem to get from participating in a little action.

Personally I would not participate in a game if the parameters made me a regular donor to the other player's wallets.  Negotiate giving you strokes and/or allow you to move up another set of tees.  If they don't want to be reasonable then you have a decision to make.

[newtogolf]

We play the rule of 85, if your age+handicap >= 85 you get to hit from next closer set of tees or if the course has senior tees, they get to tee from there.

[WUTiger]

5 hours ago, disco111 said:

I'm 72, but still have a half way decent game. My weekend group is mostly younger flat bellies that can really move the ball. Now even though they have finally allowed me to play from the white tees (normal men's tees) and they play from the blues, they still out drive me by 60 to 100 yds. Par 5's are were I really get clobbered ...,

Talk to them about adjustments on Par 5 holes. Either senior tees for Par 5s only, or an extra stroke (or maybe half stroke) on Par 5s.

[CCC]

That's what I don't like about playing with people who want to bet. Again, money changes everything. I would not be playing with these people.

[gregsandiego]

10 hours ago, disco111 said:

Should you base playing tees upon your age or hdcp? 

I'm 72, but still have a half way decent game. My weekend group is mostly younger flat bellies that can really move the ball. Now even though they have finally allowed me to play from the white tees (normal men's tees) and they play from the blues, they still out drive me by 60 to 100 yds. Par 5's are were I really get clobbered, but they totally balk at letting me go to the senior tees. The second part of my delima is that the seniors that play at our club don't want me in their groups, so I'm kind of stuck in limbo. The competition is what keeps my interest alive, but even though we play for only a few bucks a round (skins and greenies), I'm kind of tired of being shut out every time I play. Open to any and all suggestions.   

My first reaction - these guys are jerks and you should find a new group.

But you say you really like the competition.

Who makes the rules in this group and why are they inflexible? Making change it up so you don't bet par 5's ? Or add some odds?

Tweak  the rules until they are in your favor. And change them constantly so they are all confused. These guys deserve to be screwed with.

 

 

[Asmanning95]

Is playing off different tees common practice in a competitive round? Or are these rounds just meant for fun?

[paininthenuts]

21 hours ago, disco111 said:

Should you base playing tees upon your age or hdcp? 

I'm 72, but still have a half way decent game. My weekend group is mostly younger flat bellies that can really move the ball. Now even though they have finally allowed me to play from the white tees (normal men's tees) and they play from the blues, they still out drive me by 60 to 100 yds. Par 5's are were I really get clobbered, but they totally balk at letting me go to the senior tees. The second part of my delima is that the seniors that play at our club don't want me in their groups, so I'm kind of stuck in limbo. The competition is what keeps my interest alive, but even though we play for only a few bucks a round (skins and greenies), I'm kind of tired of being shut out every time I play. Open to any and all suggestions.   

I have always believed there should only be one tee. I know this is controversial, but it makes sense. Men rarely play women, and even when they do, if women want equal rights, they should take the rough with the smooth. As far as everything else is concerned, that's what handicaps are for.

[Asmanning95]

23 minutes ago, paininthenuts said:

I have always believed there should only be one tee. I know this is controversial, but it makes sense. Men rarely play women, and even when they do, if women want equal rights, they should take the rough with the smooth. As far as everything else is concerned, that's what handicaps are for.

I don't mind ladies tees, I play a reasonably short course and there are a number of holes where i imagine a large proportion of the ladies would struggle to reach the fairway even from men's tees. Even multiple sets of tees for men are fine, whats the point in having a championship course with tees 100 yards further forward then they should be, or likewise being forced to play 100 yards back from what you're capable of. But surely if you are playing with a specific group of people or in a competition, you all play off the same tees? You can't have a match or competition playing what is a essentially a different course, is the handicap system not designed to limit the effect of not being as long off the tee? I understand @disco111is saying he struggles to play to 5 currently but will his handicap not reflect that change over time and then he should be in a position to compete with his playing partners again.

[70sSanO]

You are 72 and they are out hitting you by 60 to 100 yards and whining if you want to move up.  Really???

That is a pathetic group of individuals you are playing with.  I'd be embarrassed if I were one of them.

And you can't possibly move up far enough to ever overcome that difference because you don't get any relief on second shots.

John

[MrFlipper]

On 7/14/2016 at 8:52 AM, disco111 said:

Should you base playing tees upon your age or hdcp? 

I'm 72, but still have a half way decent game. My weekend group is mostly younger flat bellies that can really move the ball. Now even though they have finally allowed me to play from the white tees (normal men's tees) and they play from the blues, they still out drive me by 60 to 100 yds. Par 5's are were I really get clobbered, but they totally balk at letting me go to the senior tees. The second part of my delima is that the seniors that play at our club don't want me in their groups, so I'm kind of stuck in limbo. The competition is what keeps my interest alive, but even though we play for only a few bucks a round (skins and greenies), I'm kind of tired of being shut out every time I play. Open to any and all suggestions.   

 

23 hours ago, disco111 said:

We just throw in 5 for skins and 4 for greenies (that's the main game for everybody, but what you do in your own group is over this). I really couldn't play total score against these guys, either net or gross. That 5 you see is more like a 10 now. I should change that...... I'm just looking to try an level the playing field. Our par 3's (4 of them ) can average anywhere from 210 to 250 from the back tees and when I had to play from there, I was hitting 3wds or driver against their 4 or 5 irons. Moving up to the whites and then the blues get changed also, they average for me anywhere from 175 to 190. While they now hit a 6 or 5 with their adjusted tee, I'm hitting 4 or 3. If I hit from the senior tees, we're hitting the same clubs. The par 4 I can deal with, but the par 5's I'm at a very big distance disadvantage. They can get hone in 2 most days and if I hit from the seniors then I can get there in 2 with 2 really good shots. From the whites, no way even on my best day. 

I'll take the other side of this and say that for the group from the back tees, assuming there are no strokes (and I've never played in anything regular like this where there were strokes for skins and greenies), I'm amazed they even let you move up a tee box. Skins and greenies in groups like this are with everyone playing from same tees, no strokes. If they are all low single digits and you can never get a skin or greenie, maybe they are just out of your league and you need to either get back to a 5 or move on to another group. If they are similar to your handicap but just hit it longer, you should easily be able to compete from the shorter tees. Your choice. 

Haven't seen any comment as to why the seniors don't want you to play with them. Why? Maybe because you hit it much farther than them? Maybe if you play from the whites, the seniors will play with you? If they can't hit a par 5 in two why should they let you play from the short tees with them if you can? Maybe I'm missing some details here. 

And btw this preoccupation with hitting par 5s in two is beyond me. Most people don't sniff par 5s in 2 from the correct tees. I'd suggest that except for the longest knockers, if you can hit par 5s in 2, the tees you play from are way too short.

Sorry man. I just don't think you are being unfairly picked on here. And as someone who doesn't keep up with the big boys anymore, I've been there too.