Presidential Candidates Debate

[Elmer]

 

2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

Nobody meets in Albany. Just ask @colin007!

In true debate competitions there is a declared winner. The Presidential debates are not really held to those standards.

I am currently sitting in Albany, Where is everyone? When does the meeting start?

6 hours ago, StefanUrkel said:

Lol. You are a complete bafo0n if a debate sways your vote.   And no, there is no such thing as winning a debate.   I would guarantee that 9 out of 10 people get Gary Johnson when they take this test (Isidewith.com )  

I got Jill Stien!
I guess I really am a commie socialist at heart!

[onkey]

6 hours ago, StefanUrkel said:

Lol. You are a complete bafo0n if a debate sways your vote.   And no, there is no such thing as winning a debate.   I would guarantee that 9 out of 10 people get Gary Johnson when they take this test (Isidewith.com )  

Your statement doesn't seem to be holding true.  It turns out that I overwhelmingly side with Trump, which is a bit of a head scratcher...

[newtogolf]

26 minutes ago, onkey said:

Your statement doesn't seem to be holding true.  It turns out that I overwhelmingly side with Trump, which is a bit of a head scratcher...

I side with Trump as well, 44% compared to Johnson at 39% and Shillary at 13%

[Gunther]

Shocking results for me.

 

[Golfingdad]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

 

I got Jill Stien!
I guess I really am a commie socialist at heart!

Lol, me too!  96%!!!!

Eek!

The funny thing is I also got that I agree with Donald trump 29% of the time.  Which I find strange because I do t even think Donald trump agrees with Donald trump 29% off the time. ;)

[Hacker James]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

 

I am currently sitting in Albany, Where is everyone? When does the meeting start?

I got Jill Stien!
I guess I really am a commie socialist at heart!

Turn around....you are not alone, and Big Brother IS watching!

[Groucho Valentine]

10 hours ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Oh, Hillary lost her cool plenty of times. You could tell because it was every time she smiled when Trump was going at her. Either that, or she'd just drop her eyes and stare at her lectern. I find Trump's responses to criticism more honest. He gets pissed!

I'm sure Hillary did too, but she managed to avoid that horrible, screeching, harpy voice that she can attain when she really gets ramped up! I'm sure she's been warned about that.

I'm still not sure that either is "fit" to be President, but I suppose I'd prefer someone "brattish" who will put it in the faces of foreign leaders, vs a "go along to get along" woman who stuck with a philandering pig of a husband simply because it might further her political career.

What? 

That argument for trump makes no sense. What is trump going to do when a foreign leader criticizes him? Huff and puff and stamp his feet? 

[Elmer]

56 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

What? 

That argument for trump makes no sense. What is trump going to do when a foreign leader criticizes him? Huff and puff and stamp his feet? 

Yes,

And then drop the NUKES!!!!!

[imsys0042]

10 minutes ago, Elmer said:

Yes,

And then drop the NUKES!!!!!

The biggest, most beautiful nukes ever created!!  No one will have bigger nukes than me!  Everyone says it!

[Groucho Valentine]

3 minutes ago, imsys0042 said:

The biggest, most beautiful nukes ever created!!  No one will have bigger nukes than me!  Everyone says it!

HAHAHA! 

[jkelley9]

58% DT, 40% HC, 34% JS, 32% GJ

I'm not terribly shocked by this result for myself. 

But it's not an issue of where I stand on the issues in who I will vote for. It's more the people at this point. Both DT and HC are two-faced monsters. You can't believe a word they say. I won't vote for a monster, so I probably won't vote to be honest with you. 

[imsys0042]

94% Hillary Clinton
80% Jill Stein
36% Gary Johnson
29 %Donald Trump
 

Little surprising to me that I ended up at 94%, however I weighted nothing so they all had the weight.   I found myself doing quite a number of the Other Stances which seem to clarify things more.

However it all has to be taken with a grain of salt, there are some things that the public does not know that affects these decisions.  Also some of these the stance I want to take are next to impossible to implement.   I would prefer an international response on a couple of the Foreign Policy questions, but in fact that would probably never happen in reality.   Sometimes bad choices are the only choices you have.

[Kalnoky]

11 minutes ago, jkelley9 said:

Both DT and HC are two-faced monsters. You can't believe a word they say. I won't vote for a monster, so I probably won't vote to be honest with you. 

I know several people who feel this way. Can't say I blame them.

I would implore people to strongly consider local politics in addition to national politics.. Although they aren't often very interesting, more often than not your city and state elections will have an immediate effect on your quality of life. I used to attend City Council meeting for my company and I was amazed at the lack of turnout.   

[Golfingdad]

http://www.theonion.com/infographic/fact-checking-first-presidential-debate-54037 

The best one:

“[NAFTA] is the single worst trade deal ever approved in this country.” -Donald Trump

This is false. The worst trade deal in this country’s history was when the SuperSonics dealt Scottie Pippen to the Bulls for Olden Polynice.

[jkelley9]

39 minutes ago, Kalnoky said:

I know several people who feel this way. Can't say I blame them.

I would implore people to strongly consider local politics in addition to national politics.. Although they aren't often very interesting, more often than not your city and state elections will have an immediate effect on your quality of life. I used to attend City Council meeting for my company and I was amazed at the lack of turnout.   

That's a good idea. I really should try and participate more in things like that. 

[Abu3baid]

 

I guess I'm a strange one pretty spread out across the spectrum.  I would probably vote for GJ or HRC.  

[DrvFrShow]

After finally clearing my head from that 90 minutes of assault on the grey matter, I've come to the conclusion that trying to do the mental gymnastics necessary to make sense out of what Clinton and Trump were saying made me dumber for about 24 hours. Especially Trump. I still can't believe one party actually nominated him. IMO he's a buffoon. A school yard bully who got thoroughly beat up, despite scoring a few points early on. But scoring points isn't what it's about to me. It's making sense and hearing policy and whether or not said policies violate the Constitution. 

In my opinion, both candidates need to read that document. In my opinion, our law makers need to read that document because they're writing laws that tread on the edges of violating our rights. Take the Comprehensive Crime Bill of 1984 otherwise known as the War on Drugs for example. It created a bunch of forfeiture laws where the government can seize property if they have reasonable cause that a drug related crime has been or is being committed. This has lead to people who are transporting large sums of cash having that seized by law enforcement. Buying airline tickets with cash is a red flag to law enforcement. They want a credit record of your purchase. If you are pulled over for speeding, an officer may ask you how much cash you are carrying. Of course you don't have to answer him, but most people think that they have nothing to hide so they tell the officer. If the amount is over a couple hundred, the officer may have a K-9 unit come sniff the car and even if they find nothing, they may confiscate the cash saying that you were going to buy drugs with it at your destination. You can't prove that you weren't. They let you go. It's your property that got charged with the crime. 4th Amendment violation? Where's the due process?

No Fly No Buy? Or Terrorist Watch list no buy? These lists are secret lists. Both candidates endorse this practice to infringe on the 2nd Amendment. Where's the due process? It's some secret process. You don't know you're on it, and once you're refused a purchase you get to petition the government to appear before the Senate to clear your name. Good luck with that. This is a violation of the 5th and 6th amendments. Holt should have gone after both Clinton and Trump on this. People told me that "Trump would protect our rights here. He has the backing of the NRA." I knew he would sell us out because he's a moron. I was right. He was agreeing with Clinton.

Stop and frisk? Under Terry, law enforcement has to have reasonable suspicion that you're about to commit a crime.This means something like casing an establishment. Walking in a group doesn't give reasonable suspicion. That's a violation of the 4th amendment. 

In the end I felt dumber after watching this. I did stupid things for the next 24 hours. It gave me a headache. I think I'll skip the next one. Both candidates are disasters. It's just that one is an intelligent disaster and the other is a moron. And Trump cannot go more than 10 minutes without putting his foot in his mouth. He doesn't get to say something where it's recorded on video and then say he never said it. That doesn't wash. He needs fat people to vote for him. He needs women to vote for him and instead of apologizing he insulted us again. He needed Afro-Americans and he brought up stop and frisk - racial profiling? He doesn't think it would be applied without racial profiling? Are you kidding me?

That's all I have to say. I have to go out and stock up on ammo before there's a shortage. I'm not expecting a war. It's target plinking ammo, but you know how people get.

 

[rkim291968]

Trump's "That makes me smart" comment reminded me of a Star Trek, the next generation episode where this technically inferior aliens kidnap Jordie for his technical expertise.   "We are smart" was repeated often to the opposite effect. 

The latest (9/28) Reuter poll had Clinton up 4 point whereas it had Trump up by 2 point on its 9/21 poll.  Trump is trending the wrong way.   As more polls done after the debate come in, Trump's camp will have to figure out something.