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Moving that finger, I'd guess if I were to do that, and it might be different for others, if I were to do that, I'd think I'd flip at the ball, early extend the lead wrist even sooner. The way he describes it, it's vague how the finger change engages the left side.

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All I heard was blah, blah, blah chicken wing. Blah, blah, blah, left wrist rolling over. Blah, blah, blah, tour release. 

Sorry. I've got nothing. None of it made sense or seemed to have anything to do with why you'd move your thumb over the two fingers.

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1 minute ago, nevets88 said:

Moving that finger, I'd guess if I were to do that, and it might be different for others, if I were to do that, I'd think I'd flip at the ball, early extend the lead wrist even sooner. The way he describes it is value in terms of how the finger change engages the left side.

The entire piece is one giant flip waiting to happen.

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Ok my opinion.  Right thumb is not causing the chicken wing.

Chicken wing as I do it results from lateral slide forward of the torso starting down other cause could be spine angle lacking tilt.

Very diff from turning the shoulders in a circle.

To me it's more a question of swing radius and space then left forearm supination.

When I actively try to roll the left going through I can't hit the broad side of a barn.

You see this quality of tip all over the Internet.  Great to screw people up.

 

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2 minutes ago, billchao said:

The entire piece is one giant flip waiting to happen.

That was my immediate thought.

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I'm at a bit of a loss here since I couldn't hear a single thing the guy was saying! So, I was resigned to go on visual cues. I have no idea what the right thumb over the other fingers was about. I have heard of instructors telling students to take their right thumb and forefinger completely off the grip, but that was way back in the day! Don't hear that anymore.

Then there was the obvious casting move, and what seemed to be advocating extension of the left arm into impact. This move could get flippy if you get at it too soon

Other than that, I'm lost!

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10 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

I'm at a bit of a loss here since I couldn't hear a single thing the guy was saying!

Turn up the volume.

30 minutes ago, Jack Watson said:

You see this quality of tip all over the Internet.  Great to screw people up.

The problem is actually that this type of problem exists everywhere from many instructors… not just "on the Internet."

This is a local instructor, FWIW.

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Chickens have thumbs?  

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Engaged, square, balanced, lag, cure...

Mans got all his key words in check. Has probably made tons of money off people.

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11 hours ago, Piz said:

Chickens have thumbs?  

Well buffalo have wings, so yes!:-P

Doesn't anyone vet these "tips" ever?

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Tips like this are fantastic for match play, provided it's your opponent who is listening to them.

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Thanks. But I like my thumb right where it is.

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I tried it.  It's not going to cause me to feel the waggle any more with the left arm and forearm, it doesn't make my left side more engaged (whatever that means), help eliminate a chicken wing? - I doubt it.  It pretty much does nothing except make the club less stable.

I'm calling this B.S.

To eliminate a chicken wing... you'll have at least as much success using my secret remedy... wear your ball cap backwards.

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If you want to get rid of a chicken wing that badly, just eat it.

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5 hours ago, boogielicious said:

Doesn't anyone vet these "tips" ever?

Who would? The experts?

Because in that video segment, the guy who is supposedly the expert is the one giving the horrible, horrible "tip."

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17 hours ago, iacas said:

Who would? The experts?

Because in that video segment, the guy who is supposedly the expert is the one giving the horrible, horrible "tip."

It's sad that he is called an expert. 

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So hard to know where to start, but I particularly enjoyed the part where apparently using your left side gives you Tour-player lag.

Maybe he should do a piece on how the position of your third toe causes you to hit a draw next?

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