2018 Tiger Debut - San Diego Open (Farmer's Insurance)

[Groucho Valentine]

Just now, chspeed said:

I didn't say that - I said he was never accurate. I think in his prime, he was very, very effective with the driver. Great? Well, that's relative.

Thats what i meant, too. 

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, chspeed said:

I didn't say that - I said he was never accurate. I think in his prime, he was very, very effective with the driver. Great? Well, that's relative.

Strokes Gained Driving has him with rankings of 9, 15, 8, 4, 4, 2, 21, and 6 if you ignore the 2010/2011 years, where he slipped in every category (yes, slipping to all of FOURTH in approach shots, ouch) compared to his average.

That's a strokes gained ranking average of 8.6th. That's elite.

Tiger Woods can be and was, for at least 8 seasons (and probably way more than that since the chart doesn't start until 2003) an elite driver on the PGA Tour.

[jbishop15]

7 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

Those are pro misses. If he can squeeze it down to 10-15 yards off line, then he can play around that and contend again. He cant contend if he's hitting the driver on other holes. 

No, he's never been a great driver of the ball, i agree. But where he's been over the last 5-6 years are crazy wild misses that we see from a professional maybe a fews times all week. Its 4-5 times a round with tiger. 

Actually, if you look at his stats around the early 2000s, he was THE best driver of the golf ball. Drove it 300 yards and hit 71% of his fairways in 2000. 

[nevets88]

Lol

 

[Groucho Valentine]

Just now, jbishop15 said:

Actually, if you look at his stats around the early 2000s, he was THE best driver of the golf ball. Drove it 300 yards and hit 71% of his fairways in 2000. 

I think most of us agree that those were his unicorn years 

[chspeed]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Strokes Gained Driving has him with rankings of 9, 15, 8, 4, 4, 2, 21, and 6 if you ignore the 2010/2011 years, where he slipped in every category (yes, slipping to all of FOURTH in approach shots, ouch) compared to his average.

That's a strokes gained ranking average of 8.6th. That's elite.

That is elite - agreed. I wonder if a lot of that had to do with his length compared to the rest of the field. I just peeked at a couple of those years, and he was #2 in 2005, #6 in 2006.

5 minutes ago, jbishop15 said:

Actually, if you look at his stats around the early 2000s, he was THE best driver of the golf ball. Drove it 300 yards and hit 71% of his fairways in 2000. 

Wow.

[iacas]

7 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

I think most of us agree that those were his unicorn years 

Uhhh, so… 1997-2009 were his unicorn years?

[Groucho Valentine]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Uhhh, so… 1997-2009 were his unicorn years?

 2000-02 were his double unicorn years. 

[colin007]

33 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

 2000-02 were his double unicorn years. 

You mess with the Double Unicorn, you get THE HORNS!!!!

14 hours ago, iacas said:

But Holmes should have been penalized. I'm sorry, but that was "undue delay." It was unfair to his playing partners.

But neither of them could have called him out or they'd have gotten the bad reputation.

Interestingly, not everyone held their tongue (still not the playing partners)

http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2018/01/28/luke-donald-sluggish-final-group-farmers-we-can-all-blame-jb-holmes

[Golfingdad]

18 minutes ago, colin007 said:

You mess with the Double Unicorn, you get THE HORNS!!!!

Interestingly, not everyone held their tongue (still not the playing partners)

http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2018/01/28/luke-donald-sluggish-final-group-farmers-we-can-all-blame-jb-holmes

Like I pointed out in the 6 hour thread, I agree with all of their comments, but just want to point out that they were not a hole behind the group in front.

(If there were 19 holes they likely would have been though) ;)

[lastings]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

I think it bodes incredibly well. Without hitting a driver well at all, he finished T24 and +6 strokes gained for the week.

You don't think the GOAT can figure out how to hit a driver again?

This week was an absolute F grade for driving.  it wasn't just that he was only hitting 3 fairways a day, but his misses were huge misses.  

That said, he can still bomb it.   That 358 yd drive on #1 yesterday was a monster.  I have to assume that as long as health holds up (and we saw no reason this week it wont), he'll get that Driver dialed in, and he'll be making a run at being a top 10 player in the world by the end of the year. 

 

 

[NCGolfer]

As bad as he sprayed it off the tee, for him to finish as well as he did and not have one round over par is pretty encouraging.

Plus he's pain free.  Don't know if you could have expected or wanted more out of Tiger.  I was just hoping for him to make the cut and finish 4 rounds healthy.

[onthehunt526]

3 minutes ago, lastings said:

This week was an absolute F grade for driving.  it wasn't just that he was only hitting 3 fairways a day, but his misses were huge misses.  

That said, he can still bomb it.   That 358 yd drive on #1 yesterday was a monster.  I have to assume that as long as health holds up (and we saw no reason this week it wont), he'll get that Driver dialed in, and he'll be making a run at being a top 10 player in the world by the end of the year. 

 

 

Agree on the top 10... Hell be might actually win a major, if he gets that driver sorted out. (Which he will) He might win before the Masters +The Masters.

Speaking on 2000, It was crazy, how much better than everyone else he was. I see that someone measured driving.. The joke was the Tiger was trying to take Fred Funk's title

[iacas]

1 minute ago, NCGolfer said:

As bad as he sprayed it off the tee, for him to finish as well as he did and not have one round over par is pretty encouraging.

True dat. How many people could say they didn't have a round over par this week?

[Ty_Webb]

11 minutes ago, lastings said:

This week was an absolute F grade for driving.  it wasn't just that he was only hitting 3 fairways a day, but his misses were huge misses.  

That said, he can still bomb it.   That 358 yd drive on #1 yesterday was a monster.  I have to assume that as long as health holds up (and we saw no reason this week it wont), he'll get that Driver dialed in, and he'll be making a run at being a top 10 player in the world by the end of the year. 

 

 

He gained strokes for the week off the tee. I don't think that's an F. He definitely hit some wild ones, but not enough to have him losing strokes off the tee (on average for the week at any rate)

[RussUK]

I think just making the cut in his first real tournament back, without any back issues raising their ugly head, was the biggest plus for Tiger. He finished around about where i expected him to finish so its a solid base for him to improve from.

Still think he has the odd win or two in him. Has he announced where he'll play next?

[onthehunt526]

6 minutes ago, RussUK said:

I think just making the cut in his first real tournament back, without any back issues raising their ugly head, was the biggest plus for Tiger. He finished around about where i expected him to finish so its a solid base for him to improve from.

Still think he has the odd win or two in him. Has he announced where he'll play next?

Riviera at the Genesis Open.

[Shindig]

Playoff!  They just mentioned that there are no breakfast balls for this group, although it might happen on the North course.  Are public tee times back on the North course today?