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I'm curious about that, actually.  120 seems atrociously hard to attain unless you have considerable training.  The swing characteristics required to make that happen are just not the way a human naturally swings the club.  And even with a trainer helping, it takes many hours of training to get all of the details correct.  I hit 300 yard drives sometimes.  It is certainly not the norm for me.  My swing speeds are not near that.  This entire topic seems to have caught a raw nerve though.  Great club speed is something masculine that is unattainable or not reasonably attainable for most of us. 

I am very curious.  I want to know what makes great club head speed happen.

We have a swing thread.  You can all see my terribly amateur swing on display in there.  (I'm working on it.)  Why don't we invite the big swingers to post their swings to put to rest all of the accusations.  Then the brainiacs on this forum can pick apart the details and we can all learn.

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11 minutes ago, Cantankerish said:

I'm curious about that, actually.  120 seems atrociously hard to attain unless you have considerable training.  The swing characteristics required to make that happen are just not the way a human naturally swings the club.  And even with a trainer helping, it takes many hours of training to get all of the details correct.  I hit 300 yard drives sometimes.  It is certainly not the norm for me.  My swing speeds are not near that.  This entire topic seems to have caught a raw nerve though.  Great club speed is something masculine that is unattainable or not reasonably attainable for most of us. 

I am very curious.  I want to know what makes great club head speed happen.

We have a swing thread.  You can all see my terribly amateur swing on display in there.  (I'm working on it.)  Why don't we invite the big swingers to post their swings to put to rest all of the accusations.  Then the brainiacs on this forum can pick apart the details and we can all learn.

He doesn't swing this big anymore, but he is still high 130's.

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10 minutes ago, phillyk said:

He doesn't swing this big anymore, but he is still high 130's.

"... he maxed out at 152mph club head speed."  I don't have a trackman etc, but my max is below 152...pretty sure.

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23 minutes ago, Cantankerish said:

I'm curious about that, actually.  120 seems atrociously hard to attain unless you have considerable training.  The swing characteristics required to make that happen are just not the way a human naturally swings the club.  And even with a trainer helping, it takes many hours of training to get all of the details correct.  I hit 300 yard drives sometimes.  It is certainly not the norm for me.  My swing speeds are not near that.  This entire topic seems to have caught a raw nerve though.  Great club speed is something masculine that is unattainable or not reasonably attainable for most of us. 

I am very curious.  I want to know what makes great club head speed happen.

Part of it is technique and mechanics, but some of it is just natural. Different people have different muscle make ups and have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscles or whatever.

25 minutes ago, Cantankerish said:

We have a swing thread.  You can all see my terribly amateur swing on display in there.  (I'm working on it.)  Why don't we invite the big swingers to post their swings to put to rest all of the accusations.  Then the brainiacs on this forum can pick apart the details and we can all learn.

Go look at @saevel25's swing thread. IIRC his driver swing speed is in the 120s.

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I may be newish here, but I've not seen very many people humble-bragging (my ss is "only in the 120s") or outright bragging about distances.  Maybe 1x or 2x, but then in context of their claimed handicap indiex and/or age, it seemed reasonable.  

Seems there's far more angst than the topic merits.  

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2 hours ago, phillyk said:

He doesn't swing this big anymore, but he is still high 130's.

A player on my high school team had a truly superhuman swing speed like this. As a 17 year old in high school he had a SS of between 135 and 140.

It was fast enough that his PING i20 driver broke after he used it for only 2 years, because he literally caved the face in. That was something I previously didn't know was even possible.

2 hours ago, Cantankerish said:

I am very curious.  I want to know what makes great club head speed happen.

Practice, technique, and flexibility are what gives you swing speed. Being a larger person (tall and long arms, not fat) also helps you out.

As far as technique goes, a lot of it is just about the hips getting ahead of the shoulders, the shoulders ahead of the arms, and then unwinding everything with good timing to whip the club through the ball. Instead of having to actually turn your hips, back, or shoulders that fast you're using each part of the body to add tension and then unwinding it to be straight through impact.

Here's Cameron Champ, the driving distance leader, at impact:

Cameron Champ.JPG

You'll notice that at impact his hips are nearly entirely ahead of the target. It's also hard to see because the video was cropped poorly, but he's up on the toes of both of his feet through impact because he is driving his body up as well as around to help increase speed.

Compare this to one of the shortest hitters on tour, Ben Crane, and you can see a substantial difference in the amount of hip and shoulder rotation the two have at impact:

Ben Crane.JPG

Ben's belt buckle is barely pointing past the golf ball, because he simply doesn't get quite the same hip rotation as Cameron Champ.

Another notable long hitter, Rory McIlroy, can be seen doing the same thing below. It's interesting to note that Rory McIlroy is a pretty small guy yet still one of the longest hitters, in part thanks to the fact that his hip rotation is some of the fastest that's been measured by professional golfers. His hips actually get so far ahead of the rest of his body that they are forced to rotate backwards immediately after impact, to give you an idea of the amount of tension he's putting into his spine with all that twisting.

Most tour pros average a max of 550 degrees per second of hip rotation. Rory averages a max of 720 degrees per second, and puts enough tension into his abdominal obliques that they pull the hips backwards at about 380 degrees per second. For reference, most amateurs rotate their hips forwards at only 350 degrees per second.

Rory McIlroy.JPG

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