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Is it just me that thinks everyone should stop banging on about getting fitted? Fitting is free now whenever you buy new clubs, great! so everyone who buys new clubs gets this free fitting, not so great! I would suggest that lots of the people who buy new clubs are near beginners or high handicappers and that a fitting at that standard is of no benefit to anyone apart from the retail stores who fit to poor swings that will eventually have to rectified! Now I know a retail store would not say, hey buddy, I don't want to sell and fit you these clubs because your you basically have a real shitty swing, so go away and come back in 2 years! But they should just give the most basic standard of fitting, wrist to floor and grip size and leave it at that till your at the very least a bogey golfer,

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I disagree.  If someone was a novice mountain bike rider or skier, it would be best take the time to get the proper fit.  It would make their enjoyment of the sport increase because it would help them perform the best at their level.  For those sports, it also is safer to be properly fit.

The same applies to golf apart from safety.  Now they don't need a full blow hours long driver fitting if their goals are modest.  But it helps if they are playing the right length and lie and relative shaft stiffness.  It also lets them try different setting on adjustable clubs to see what performs best.

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What if the shoe was on another foot per se? Like someone just turned 15 and just got their driving learner's permit. And they get in the driver's seat of a vehicle for their first drive down the road but are told: NO! You can't adjust the seat. You can't adjust the mirrors. You can't adjust the seatbelt height. You suck at driving so you go with what's already there.

I know, it's trying to compare apples to oranges but still.

I disagree with someone that's new to golf not being able to get a fitting. A new player should be able to get the same consideration that a seasoned 4 handicapper should get.

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I also disagree.

First of all, the vast majority of those "poor swings that have to be rectified" will, in all honesty, never be rectified.  Second, people play golf because they enjoy the game now.  Do some/most want to improve?  Sure.  But, as @iacas , even relatively poor players have surprisingly consistent swings.   Having the proper equipment now will maximize their enjoyment of the game and help keep them engaged in the game.  Why in the world would you forego those benefits?

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Now I know a retail store would not say, hey buddy, I don't want to sell and fit you these clubs because your you basically have a real shitty swing, so go away and come back in 2 years!

I have actually been told something like this, twice, at two separate locations. Both times, we didn't make it past the demo because the fitter said a new club won't fix my swing issues. [quote name="boogielicious" url="/t/78684/too-many-fittings-going-on#post_1085940"]I disagree.  If someone was a novice mountain bike rider or skier, it would be best take the time to get the proper fit.  It would make their enjoyment of the sport increase because it would help them perform the best at their level.  For those sports, it also is safer to be properly fit.   [/quote]I would guess that most activities and sports are like this. Would you want to spend all day wearing shoes that don't fit? Would probably make you hate walking, or at least shoes. Golf fittings are no different. They can help to fine tune your game and increase your enjoyment of it at the same time.

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I can't see that "everyone who gets new clubs gets fitted". Most beginners or starters walk into Sports Authority or whatever and find a set that "looks nice at a decent price". Those that get fitted are dedicated players who can afford a prime set and can wait a couple of weeks for the set to come in. Those beginners who DO get fitted with prime sets must either be: A- REally keen on learning the proper techniques, or: B- Just want the latest doo-hickeys because they can afford it and have their friends oohing and ahhing over their sticks.
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I can't see that "everyone who gets new clubs gets fitted". Most beginners or starters walk into Sports Authority or whatever and find a set that "looks nice at a decent price". Those that get fitted are dedicated players who can afford a prime set and can wait a couple of weeks for the set to come in. Those beginners who DO get fitted with prime sets must either be: A- REally keen on learning the proper techniques, or: B- Just want the latest doo-hickeys because they can afford it and have their friends oohing and ahhing over their sticks.

I would agree with this, but perhaps things are different over in the UK where the OP is from?

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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I think more people would benefit from fitting than not but most don't bother. The people I see either buy whatever the latest and greatest is or play junk year after year.

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If fitting done on a properly calibrated launch monitor with a good fitter, in the least fitting doesn't hurt. Also, it is eye opening to find out that you don't clear 240 on the fly, i.e., it is educational in other ways. It is also good to know that you are hitting the Pings same as TMs, etc., so when you get a terrible roll you don't necessarily start thinking equipment.

Get fit. Even the beginners will only benefit. Nothing to lose.

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Is it just me that thinks everyone should stop banging on about getting fitted? Fitting is free now whenever you buy new clubs, great! so everyone who buys new clubs gets this free fitting, not so great! I would suggest that lots of the people who buy new clubs are near beginners or high handicappers and that a fitting at that standard is of no benefit to anyone apart from the retail stores who fit to poor swings that will eventually have to rectified! Now I know a retail store would not say, hey buddy, I don't want to sell and fit you these clubs because your you basically have a real shitty swing, so go away and come back in 2 years! But they should just give the most basic standard of fitting, wrist to floor and grip size and leave it at that till your at the very least a bogey golfer,

Wait 2 years is exactly what I have done. I'm almost ready for a decent fitting.

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Club fitting "by a qualified fitter" will always be a good thing. The best of both worlds would be to purchase clubs that can be adjusted as the golfer's swing might change. Even better would be to find a qualified swing guru, who is also a qualified club fitter. They are out there, and the components they sell, to make up the clubs, are as good as any big manufacturer equipment.

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Well it seems I'm on my own, but my opinion hasn't changed, and I'm predominantly talking about irons! yes, in the uk almost every store or club will offer a free fitting when buying new clubs, but, for some reason, I think only a semi skilled golfer would benefit from being "fine tuned" as it were, it's been over 2 years now since I began to play regularly again, and my swing has changed dramatically, hc has gone from approx 22 to 16, and I think the initial fitting I had was not necessary nor helpful as my swing has evolved from that day, only now do I feel I would benefit from a full fitting! And the percentages are I'm probably standard anyway! [quote name="Lihu" url="/t/78684/too-many-fittings-going-on#post_1086058"] Wait 2 years is exactly what I have done. I'm almost ready for a decent fitting.[/quote] Now this I believe is the correct way to do it! Unless of course your freakishly tall, small, or restricted in movement, which only then I could I justify a fitting for a beginner/high capper!

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I disagree.  If someone was a novice mountain bike rider or skier, it would be best take the time to get the proper fit.  It would make their enjoyment of the sport increase because it would help them perform the best at their level.  For those sports, it also is safer to be properly fit.   The same applies to golf apart from safety.  Now they don't need a full blow hours long driver fitting if their goals are modest.  But it helps if they are playing the right length and lie and relative shaft stiffness.  It also lets them try different setting on adjustable clubs to see what performs best.

I was talking about irons, I think the lie is almost not important at all to a less skilled golfer, and we can't really compare golf to bike riding, you will always ride a bike the same way, but not swing a club the same way as we improve! [quote name="scorpion12" url="/t/78684/too-many-fittings-going-on#post_1085942"]What if the shoe was on another foot per se? Like someone just turned 15 and just got their driving learner's permit. And they get in the driver's seat of a vehicle for their first drive down the road but are told: NO! You can't adjust the seat. You can't adjust the mirrors. You can't adjust the seatbelt height. You suck at driving so you go with what's already there. I know, it's trying to compare apples to oranges but still. I disagree with someone that's new to golf not being able to get a fitting. A new player should be able to get the same consideration that a seasoned 4 handicapper should get. [/quote] But that's just about comfort, I'm sure they would benefit more from good comfortable shoes and nice fitting clothing, and yes they should get the same treatment as a 4 hc, but the point I'm making is do they really benefit from a fitting? [quote name="David in FL" url="/t/78684/too-many-fittings-going-on#post_1085944"]I also disagree. First of all, the vast majority of those "poor swings that have to be rectified" will, in all honesty, never be rectified.  Second, people play golf because they enjoy the game now.  Do some/most want to improve?  Sure.  But, as @iacas has often said, even relatively poor players have surprisingly consistent swings.   Having the proper equipment now will maximize their enjoyment of the game and help keep them engaged in the game.  Why in the world would you forego those benefits? [/quote] Under these circumstances I can see your point! [quote name="turtleback" url="/t/78684/too-many-fittings-going-on#post_1086043"] I would agree with this, but perhaps things are different over in the UK where the OP is from? [/quote] Very much so!

Gaz Lee

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Is it just me that thinks everyone should stop banging on about getting fitted?

Fitting is free now whenever you buy new clubs, great! so everyone who buys new clubs gets this free fitting, not so great! I would suggest that lots of the people who buy new clubs are near beginners or high handicappers and that a fitting at that standard is of no benefit to anyone apart from the retail stores who fit to poor swings that will eventually have to rectified!

I just said this to someone the other day but when fitting a higher handicapper you just try to get it "good enough". Take their height/wrist to floor measurements, have them hit a few balls to check the lie angle and try out some different shafts. There is so much available now I think it can't hurt to take advantage of it. Maybe the KBS 90 feels better than the True Temper XP95, or they like the feel of cord grips vs velvet grips, stuff like that.

From some posts I've seen on the site, I think the problem is the expectation some golfers have when it comes to fitting. They think that you can "fit for a swing" and that there will be some perfect combination that will result in perfect shots. We've used this example several times but you can give a good player a set of women's clubs and he'll still shoot in the 70's. He might not shoot his best score but he's not suddenly going to shoot 90. So while I feel it's good to get fit, don't expect it to radically change your score.

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Is it just me that thinks everyone should stop banging on about getting fitted?

Fitting is free now whenever you buy new clubs, great! so everyone who buys new clubs gets this free fitting, not so great! I would suggest that lots of the people who buy new clubs are near beginners or high handicappers and that a fitting at that standard is of no benefit to anyone apart from the retail stores who fit to poor swings that will eventually have to rectified!

I just said this to someone the other day but when fitting a higher handicapper you just try to get it "good enough". Take their height/wrist to floor measurements, have them hit a few balls to check the lie angle and try out some different shafts. There is so much available now I think it can't hurt to take advantage of it. Maybe the KBS 90 feels better than the True Temper XP95, or they like the feel of cord grips vs velvet grips, stuff like that.

From some posts I've seen on the site, I think the problem is the expectation some golfers have when it comes to fitting. They think that you can "fit for a swing" and that there will be some perfect combination that will result in perfect shots. We've used this example several times but you can give a good player a set of women's clubs and he'll still shoot in the 70's. He might not shoot his best score but he's not suddenly going to shoot 90. So while I feel it's good to get fit, don't expect it to radically change your score.

Would you say that all the benefits of a good fitting for a better player could be things like changing the ball flight and spin/distance? Or do you think it's mostly by feel preference for most people?

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I just said this to someone the other day but when fitting a higher handicapper you just try to get it "good enough". Take their height/wrist to floor measurements, have them hit a few balls to check the lie angle and try out some different shafts. There is so much available now I think it can't hurt to take advantage of it. Maybe the KBS 90 feels better than the True Temper XP95, or they like the feel of cord grips vs velvet grips, stuff like that.

From some posts I've seen on the site, I think the problem is the expectation some golfers have when it comes to fitting. They think that you can "fit for a swing" and that there will be some perfect combination that will result in perfect shots. We've used this example several times but you can give a good player a set of women's clubs and he'll still shoot in the 70's. He might not shoot his best score but he's not suddenly going to shoot 90. So while I feel it's good to get fit, don't expect it to radically change your score.

The calm, cool voice of reason, as usual.

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Would you say that all the benefits of a good fitting for a better player could be things like changing the ball flight and spin/distance? Or do you think it's mostly by feel preference for most people?

It's certainly beneficial to look at what's going on with spin and distance. I was hitting some irons on Trackman at Titleist earlier in the year and I definitely had more "optimal" numbers with one of the shafts compared to the 4 others I tried. As @Hardballs said, we're just talking about irons here. When it comes to driver, I think most golfers should take a look at their ball flight numbers.

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I just said this to someone the other day but when fitting a higher handicapper you just try to get it "good enough". Take their height/wrist to floor measurements, have them hit a few balls to check the lie angle and try out some different shafts. There is so much available now I think it can't hurt to take advantage of it. Maybe the KBS 90 feels better than the True Temper XP95, or they like the feel of cord grips vs velvet grips, stuff like that. From some posts I've seen on the site, I think the problem is the expectation some golfers have when it comes to fitting. They think that you can "fit for a swing" and that there will be some perfect combination that will result in perfect shots. We've used this example several times but you can give a good player a set of women's clubs and he'll still shoot in the 70's. He might not shoot his best score but he's not suddenly going to shoot 90. So while I feel it's good to get fit, don't expect it to radically change your score.

My point exactly, just a basic fitting, fitted to the person, not the swing, and as lihu suggests, [quote name="Lihu" url="/t/78684/too-many-fittings-going-on#post_1086119"] Would you say that all the benefits of a good fitting for a better player could be things like changing the ball flight and spin/distance? Or do you think it's mostly by feel preference for most people? [/quote] The first part yes! And the second part for the high capper/ beginner, this would help develop his swing so he's not changing the swing to fit the club, and then at a later date he can fit his club to his swing!

Gaz Lee

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