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Has COVID-19 Affected Your Golf?

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Well I’m in europe and it’s having a bigger impact daily. We are next to Italy where there are about 10000 cases and almost 500 dead. It is much more dangerous than the flu, not only because of the effects like SARS but also because it’s much more infective. So don’t take it too lightly. Take precautions, wash your hands and don’t go to crowded areas if there is no need. There is no need to panic but like I said, take care. 
 

As far as the question no it hasn’t had a direct impact yet. But I am a dentist and I might be closing my office soon.

 

As far as golf I actually hope it will have a positive effect as I will probably have more time to play if I have to close down and open spaces without crowds are safe anyway. 

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5 hours ago, TN94z said:

No and No. I actually talked with a doctor yesterday about his thoughts on this. He stated that a normally healthy person will not likely even realize they have it. You might have a scratchy throat or a slight cough. The real concerns are nursing homes and individuals with an already compromised immune system. So, I am not concerned unless the CDC comes out and tells me that it is much worse than what was originally thought.

Thank you for reminding people of this. Currently worldwide there are fewer Coronavirus infections than Influenza deaths.

This is an epidemiology crisis not a true public crisis. More people in your area die from gunshots or car accidents than this virus.

All that said. Wash your hands, don’t touch your face, stay home if you’re sick, clean surfaces well, and avoid crowds.

Being in a golf course (as long as you aren’t sitting in a cart with a sick person) is one of the safest places you could be.

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54 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

The death rate for influenza is somewhere in the 0.1% range, whereas the new coronavirus is most likely in the 2-5% range. We won't know exactly until it has played out, but it seems to be 20-50 times more lethal than the standard flu. I still don't think it's as problematic as media is leading on, but to say the flu kills more isn't fair because far more people catch the standard flu (at the moment).

2-5% of what? You cannot say 2-5% of those infected because no one has a clue as to how many are affected. I would be willing to bet that if everyone were tested and we actually knew how many were carrying the virus, that death rate would drop significantly. So if it is being stated that it is 2-5%, that is just from known cases and the death rate of those cases.  In my opinion, it is WAY too early to start comparing the death rates between viruses. Remember when the swine flu was thought to be so deadly? After time passed and they found out how many people actually had it, the mortality rate dropped to something like .01%

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Just now, TN94z said:

2-5% of what? You cannot say 2-5% of those infected because no one has a clue as to how many are affected. I would be willing to bet that if everyone were tested and we actually knew how many were carrying the virus, that death rate would drop significantly. So if it is being stated that it is 2-5%, that is just from known cases and the death rate of those cases.  In my opinion, it is WAY to early to start comparing the death rates between viruses. Remember when the swine flu was thought to be so deadly? After time passed and they found out how many people actually had it, the mortality rate dropped to something like .01%

You are most likely right on this. This was a logical error on my part. Those are the current stats, but I bet there are people that had it that didn't even know it. Only time will really tell. The rate of spread initially is alarming, but it most likely is from better testing. I could see it being similar or even less deadly (because of awareness most likely) than the normal flu, but we just don't know yet and it sounds scary at the moment. I think that most people are probably fairly safe, but quarantining is a pretty effective method of shutting down the spread. 

@mcanadiens mentioned that our local colleges are going to online only for the time being. My first thought was "man those kids are getting screwed out of there money", but the more I think about it, it makes sense. 

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Just now, Bonvivant said:

You are most likely right on this. This was a logical error on my part. Those are the current stats, but I bet there are people that had it that didn't even know it. Only time will really tell. The rate of spread initially is alarming, but it most likely is from better testing. I could see it being similar or even less deadly (because of awareness most likely) than the normal flu, but we just don't know yet and it sounds scary at the moment. I think that most people are probably fairly safe, but quarantining is a pretty effective method of shutting down the spread. 

@mcanadiens

I just feel like the reason for it spreading so fast has to be the fact that there were so many people that were infected and did not even know it. I completely understand about the elderly and immune compromised as this is very scary for them. I am just going by what I have heard several doctors state about normally healthy individuals would not even know they were infected because the symptoms would be so easy to look over.  Anyway, I am not really arguing against anyone's opinion. Just throwing my thoughts out there.

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6 hours ago, dennyjones said:

1.  Has the Coronavirus affected you

2.  Do you think it will affect your golf game?

The Coronavirus hasn't affected my life one bit.  Personally, I feel it is just a fancy flu that has become so scary thanks to social media and the TV channels hyping it thanks to TRP's.  I will not permit it to affect my golf game unless I get ill.

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13 minutes ago, TN94z said:

2-5% of what? You cannot say 2-5% of those infected because no one has a clue as to how many are affected.

Thank you.  Someone who understands math!  :beer:

By the way, that 2-5% has been revised to about 1% as of today.  It’s tough to tell though because the media is reporting it as “10 times more lethal than the flu”, instead of telling everyone that it’s much less lethal than initially thought.

And again, even that means nothing without knowing the actual number of infected individuals to use as the denominator...

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2 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

Hey I'll be that guy; Affect is usually a verb, and it means to impact or change. Effect is usually a noun, an effect is the result of a change.

God, I hate "THAT GUY". 

And,

4 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

2. I have a golf trip planned for end of April / early May. Supposed to be heading to Vegas. So far, no affect, but we'll see. 

Also, in medicine, we do use affect as a noun. (Accent on the first syllable; refers to the observable mood or expressed emotion of a person.)

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My golf is toast till July at least due to an injury but it would not have been affected because of the virus.... I think. Have played once or twice a month for a year anyway.

For work, all international travel banned, local travel (out of or within town) takes approval from company president. No customer visits, from or to. No goods accepted from China. I s'pose same for most mid/large corporations.

 

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Hard surfaces can carry the virus for up to 24 hours.  Golf course = Door handles, bills or coins from the guy in the proshop, ball washers, handles of range buckets, the golf balls therein, the grip of your clubs after the aforementioned.

Nevertheless I am still playing golf.  Played with an old friend yesterday and we did the elbow bump... 

I do the 20 second hand wash as soon as I get home... even though my steering wheel is now infected.

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1 hour ago, Bonvivant said:

The death rate for influenza is somewhere in the 0.1% range, whereas the new coronavirus is most likely in the 2-5% range. We won't know exactly until it has played out, but it seems to be 20-50 times more lethal than the standard flu. I still don't think it's as problematic as media is leading on, but to say the flu kills more isn't fair because far more people catch the standard flu (at the moment).

Hi @Bonvivant I think that your post shows just how much mis-information is being spread. I had to take my son to the emergency room, this morning around 2:30AM. (Not Corona Virus related... and he's fine now) My son and I were the only patients there so we took the opportunity to to talk with a couple of the doctors. The stats they gave me were that the FLU type B kills about 0.7% of the people infected with it in the US. The Flu type A, about 0.3%. The numbers work themselves out to about 3/4 of million cases of flu per year and about 40-49,000 people per year in the US who die from the flu. 

RIGHT NOW he says IN THE US the morality rate for the Corona Virus is about 0.7%. The quoted 2-5% number comes from the WHO, they count all the cases including one town in China where the morality rate was much much higher and brings the number way up.

Having said that, he also said that they (I took it to mean ER doctors) have been being briefed to be prepared for a couple things concerning the Corona Virus.

 1 - There are probably WAY more cases in the US than have been counted. He says that a lot of people who get it will not know they have it. They may perceive it as a cold or the common flu as for many the symptoms are even milder than the cold or flu symptoms we are familiar with here IN THE US

 2 - The mortality rate IN THE US will probably end up much lower than the flu when it's all said and done. Because the rate is based on the number of deaths divided by the number of cases and they expect the number of cases to skyrocket. They expect the final mortality number to be someplace less than 0.1%.

3 - Having said all of that. He says that the big issue with Corona Virus is that they are ill prepared to deal with it for the elderly and for people with compromised immune systems. According to these guys they have been told that the death rate among the elderly and folks especially people with respiratory issues is going to be really high. (Maybe as much as 5% or more.) 

4 - So to sum it all up, these guys (doctors) have been attending meetings on this thing and what they are being told is that for the average healthy person the risk is really low. Some people may not even know they have it, which scares the hell out of the doctors, because then you become a carrier. Especially children becoming carriers. For people with respiratory issues, compromised immune systems, or the elderly it can be really dangerous. So, in the end they expect to see better numbers than we see with the flu for the general population, however, they fear it's going to be much harder to treat in high-risk people than the flu currently is. 

According to these guys, the media has done a terrible job. Spreading mis-information, compared to what the doctors are being told. I have to agree with them as I have been trying to follow it online and every day it seems to switch from the worst pandemic in the history of mankind, to we are over-reacting and more people will die this year from bee-stings. 

 

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@ChetlovesMer, well said. I was baffled when I went to the grocery last night and the TP/PT aisle was just about cleared out. Luckily I buy store brand and everyone else wanted Brawny, lol. There were probably 6 packages of paper towels left, all store brand. 

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7 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

@ChetlovesMer, well said. I was baffled when I went to the grocery last night and the TP/PT aisle was just about cleared out. Luckily I buy store brand and everyone else wanted Brawny, lol. There were probably 6 packages of paper towels left, all store brand. 

I agree. That is ridiculous!

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3 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

@ChetlovesMer, well said. I was baffled when I went to the grocery last night and the TP/PT aisle was just about cleared out. Luckily I buy store brand and everyone else wanted Brawny, lol. There were probably 6 packages of paper towels left, all store brand. 

If that's true, then I should stop by the store on my way home.  Probably better top of my gas tank, too, even though I'm only down a couple of gallons from full.  Hmm.  Better stop by the bank and withdraw some greenbacks, too.  As long as I'm at it, better call EF Hutton and dump a bunch of stock.

Aaargh.  This is a very serious medical development, but I think we the public are being played like a piano.

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2 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

If that's true, then I should stop by the store on my way home.  Probably better top of my gas tank, too, even though I'm only down a couple of gallons from full.  Hmm.  Better stop by the bank and withdraw some greenbacks, too.  As long as I'm at it, better call EF Hutton and dump a bunch of stock.

Aaargh.  This is a very serious medical development, but I think we the public are being played like a piano.

Don't forget to stock up on ProV 1s... I hear they're moving off the shelves rapidly...

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2 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

If that's true, then I should stop by the store on my way home.  Probably better top of my gas tank, too, even though I'm only down a couple of gallons from full.  Hmm.  Better stop by the bank and withdraw some greenbacks, too.  As long as I'm at it, better call EF Hutton and dump a bunch of stock.

Aaargh.  This is a very serious medical development, but I think we the public are being played like a piano.

It is pretty crazy. My house just actually need PTs, and I was amazed to see that aisle. Instead I took this picture. CV must have set my game back 100 years

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