Jump to content
Subscribe to the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
Subscribe to the Spin Axis Podcast!
IGNORED

Ian Poulter’s Take on Distance Debate

phillyk

By phillyk
in Tour Talk

 Share
Note: This thread is 1710 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

  • Moderator
phillyk Super Member

phillyk

Posted
  • Moderator
Posted
120943184_1634672030046926_7044124271808

6554b6be8c0d829a8bf63ae0c82cf121_link.pn Debate time - Why does the golf ball... - Ian James Poulter | Facebook

Debate time - Why does the golf ball travel so far? Is there an easy fix? Let me know your thoughts...

Interesting idea to potentially introduce a minimum driver loft. Haven’t heard that one before. 

Philip Kohnken, PGA
Director of Instruction, Lake Padden GC, Bellingham, WA

Srixon/Cleveland Club Fitter; PGA Modern Coach; Certified in Dr Kwon’s Golf Biomechanics Levels 1 & 2; Certified in SAM Putting; Certified in TPI
 
Team :srixon:!

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

Vinsk Incredible Member

Vinsk

Posted
Posted
  On 10/11/2020 at 9:50 PM, phillyk said:
120943184_1634672030046926_7044124271808

6554b6be8c0d829a8bf63ae0c82cf121_link.pn Debate time - Why does the golf ball... - Ian James Poulter | Facebook

Debate time - Why does the golf ball travel so far? Is there an easy fix? Let me know your thoughts...

Interesting idea to potentially introduce a minimum driver loft. Haven’t heard that one before. 

Expand  

Asinine. All of it. Let it be. Golf isn’t considered one of the hardest sports in the world just because it’s hard to hit it far. If you have to hit it 320yds to compete at the highest level of the sport then so be it. I wonder how many of these whiney distance people are the same who claim they’d rather hit it straighter than farther? 

:ping: G25 Driver Stiff :ping: G20 3W, 5W :ping: S55 4-W (aerotech steel fiber 110g shafts) :ping: Tour Wedges 50*, 54*, 58* :nike: Method Putter Floating clubs: :edel: 54* trapper wedge

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1

Piz Great Member

Piz

Posted
Posted

I agree with everything Ian said.  I do not agree, however, that distance is a problem that needs addressing.  Sure...a long, straight, hole with little in the way of trouble favors the long hitters...but how many of those do we typically encounter?  I'd say it has more to do with course design than it does length off the tee.  

In der bag:
Cleveland Hi-Bore driver, Maltby 5 wood, Maltby hybrid, Maltby irons and wedges (23 to 50) Vokey 59/07, Cleveland Niblick (LH-42), and a Maltby mallet putter.                                                                                                                                                 "When the going gets tough...it's tough to get going."

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1

  • iacas changed the title to Ian Poulter’s Take on Distance Debate
  • Administrator
iacas Hall of Fame Member

iacas

Posted
  • Administrator
Posted

I'm automatically against anything Ian Poulter says. 🙂

  • Like 3

Erik J. Barzeski — ⛳ I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • Author, Lowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

  • Moderator
boogielicious Incredible Member

boogielicious

Posted
  • Moderator
Posted

BD didn’t invent the knowledge that swinging up reduces spin. He didn’t develop the training to swing faster either. He has just taken advantage of this knowledge, which is a credit to him. I wish they would stop crediting him with things others came up with. 

Scott

Titleist, Edel, Scotty Cameron Putter, Snell - AimPoint - Evolvr - MirrorVision

My Swing Thread

boogielicious - Adjective describing the perfect surf wave

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1
1

TourSpoon Super Member

TourSpoon

Posted
Posted
  On 10/11/2020 at 11:25 PM, iacas said:

I'm automatically against anything Ian Poulter says. 🙂

Expand  

Exactly, 

But in this case I will give him a pass on having an original idea. 

Callaway AI Smoke TD Max 10.5* | Cobra Big Tour 15.5* | Rad Tour 18.5* | Titleist U500 4i | T100 5-P | Vokey 50/8* F, 54/10* S,  58/10* S | Scotty Cameron Squareback 1


Bonvivant Great Member

Bonvivant

Posted
Posted
  On 10/11/2020 at 10:26 PM, Piz said:

I agree with everything Ian said.  I do not agree, however, that distance is a problem that needs addressing.  Sure...a long, straight, hole with little in the way of trouble favors the long hitters...but how many of those do we typically encounter?  I'd say it has more to do with course design than it does length off the tee.  

Expand  

BDs win at the US Open kind of goes against this. If he is going to be hitting it as high as he plans on at Augusta there are going to be some crazy lines taken.

My opinion is that the longer player will always have an advantage, no matter what the setup is. Unless you are going to put water for the last 160 yards of every hole before the green, it's something you just can't get around. 

I think that the distance "issue" does need addressing but only because of conservation efforts (water and space). The longest hitters will still have an advantage, but at least you can keep courses true to form. Bifurcation is the only way I see it working, so that casual-amature players can go play the same courses and the courses don't have to keep buying up more land (and using more resources on the space)

  • :titleist: 917 D2 9.5o EvenFlow blue shaft    :titleist: 917 F2 15o EvenFlow blue shaft    
  • :titleist: 818 H2 19o EvenFlow blue shaft 
  • :titleist: 712 AP2 4-PW
  • :vokey: 52/8o SM6 RAW    56/14o SM6 Chrome      60/4o SM6 Chrome
  • :ping: Anser Sigma G putter
  • :snell: MTB-Black Balls
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1

DrvFrShow Super Member

DrvFrShow

Posted
Posted

Isn't the object of the game to get the ball in the hole in as few strokes as possible? BDC said he was going to hit 2000 drives in preparation for the Masters. Come on, you can't ban practice and physical fitness. If someone is obsessed enough to put in extra hours of work you can't penalize them for it. You can't penalize everyone else for what he does. I'm sorry, but if they change the rules, someone like BDC will find a way to exploit a weakness in them. He and his coach are those types of guys. They study physics and stuff like that. This whole thing is funny. 

If anything, Crossfield and Poulter convinced me to try adjusting my driver for less loft and see what happens. I have a 18-19 HC. What have I got to lose?

I don't want to see bifurcation. Where do you draw the line for the bifurcation? It would be bad for the game because elite amateurs compete in "Open" events and that opens a new can of worms. You would regret bifurcation. And you would regret rolling back the equipment or the ball because of a handful of players.

Is BDC winning every week? No.

Julia

:callaway:  :cobra:    :seemore:  :bushnell:  :clicgear:  :adidas:  :footjoy:

  Reveal hidden contents
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1

TourSpoon Super Member

TourSpoon

Posted
Posted

Does anyone regret banning square grooves? Same arguments, same worries, and in the end we don't even think about it. Its kind of funny that since the ban, the average rough on the PGA tour would qualify as first cut at your local muni so that's your way around square grooves.  I don't think rolling the driver back to 8 degrees and 45.5" inches really is going to hurt the average golfer. Maybe we should limit tee length to 2.75" and be done with it. 

Callaway AI Smoke TD Max 10.5* | Cobra Big Tour 15.5* | Rad Tour 18.5* | Titleist U500 4i | T100 5-P | Vokey 50/8* F, 54/10* S,  58/10* S | Scotty Cameron Squareback 1


TourSpoon Super Member

TourSpoon

Posted
Posted
  On 10/12/2020 at 11:04 PM, Double Mocha Man said:

I'm all in on the 2.75 inch tees, but gimme back my square grooves.

Expand  

I just picture Mark Calcavecchia and his Ping wedges when I hear the term "square grooves", spinning it out of the rough. 

Callaway AI Smoke TD Max 10.5* | Cobra Big Tour 15.5* | Rad Tour 18.5* | Titleist U500 4i | T100 5-P | Vokey 50/8* F, 54/10* S,  58/10* S | Scotty Cameron Squareback 1


StuM Super Member

StuM

Posted
Posted

We do not tell sprinters to not try to run faster, we do not tell swimmers to not try to swim faster, how about telling tennis players to not work on hitting faster serves.  

Stuart M.
 

I am a "SCRATCH GOLFER".  I hit ball, Ball hits Tree, I scratch my head. 😜

Driver: Ping G410 Plus 10.5* +1* / 3 Hybrid: Cleveland HIBORE XLS / 4,5 & 6 Hybrids: Mizuno JP FLI-HI / Irons/Wedges 7-8-9-P-G: Mizuno JPX800 HD / Sand Wedge: Mizuno JPX 800 / Lob Wedge: Cleveland CBX 60* / Putter: Odyssey White Hot OG 7S / Balls: Srixon Soft / Beer: Labatt Blue (or anything nice & cold) 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1
1

JxQx Dedicated Member

JxQx

Posted
Posted

I don’t think I’ve heard/read an actual good argument that distance is an issue. It seems like all the people arguing that is a problem, don’t want to come to terms with the fact that par doesn’t matter in tournament golf.  

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1

Wanzo Great Member

Wanzo

Posted
Posted

I like the idea.  Why limit cor if distance isn’t a problem.  

Matt          My Swing

 

 :ping: G425 Max Driver

Sub 70 3 wood, 3 hybrid and 5-p 639CB

Edison wedges 51, 55, 59

Sub 70 004 Mallet

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1

chicub15 Well Established Member

chicub15

Posted
Posted

I disagree with Ian as far as making rules changes for the Tour as a response to BDC and others hitting it longer. I do have firsthand knowledge of how much the angle of attack (hitting up vs hitting down on the ball) affects distance off the tee, it has made a big difference in my game. The average weekend golfer would probably benefit from hitting up on it more. 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades
1
1
1
1

Note: This thread is 1710 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up

  • TST Partners

    PlayBetter
    TourStriker
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).

  • Posts

    • DeadMan
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By DeadMan · Posted

      Day 364: About an hour and a half practice session. Spent most of it at the range. Did a solid 30 minutes of work on my priority piece, with filming. I think it's improving, but will probably check in on Evolvr to make sure. Then spent the last ~20 minutes putting, working mostly on short putts.
    • WillieT
      Wordle Daily Puzzle

      By WillieT · Posted

      Wordle 1,491 4/6* ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ 🟩⬜🟩⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • WillieT
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By WillieT · Posted

      Day 79 (19 July 25) - Band rehearsal this morning - got home midafternoon, opted to work more with the magnetic alignment tool with the wedges.  Used it to work on face position at the bottom of the swing arc - followed up with easy pitches up to 50yds.  Seeing better face control and over improved accuracy toward target…session was cut short with pop up rain showers.
    • Carl3
      Determining Out of Bounds

      By Carl3 · Posted

      This is a great discussion. Other parts of the course where there are houses have white stakes and signs. This keeps people from trespassing and hitting shots on their property. There is another county road on the east side of the course that does not have white stakes like the hole I described. I checked the score card and there is nothing to indicate these roadways are OB. I think a county drainage ditch would be considered government right-of-way so it is the peoples land 🤣. But you are in the power industry and know more about those sorts of things than me.
    • wetzel1592
      "5 Minutes Daily" Practice Challenge

      By wetzel1592 · Posted

      Day 3: Worked on backswing. Feel: Matt Wolff, Real: Not yanking it inside and getting it laid off and flat at the top. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

  I accept
The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...