General COVID-19 Topic

[Billy Z]

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On 5/5/2021 at 10:16 AM, mattm16 said:

 For me, I do not think I need the vaccine.  I just don't.  The odds that I've seen of something majorly happening to me if I get COVID is small (and I do have a heart condition).  However, I am getting the vaccine for my friends/family.  They know that I don't think I need it; I'm doing it for them, not for me.

It is good you are getting the vaccine. To use the logic of For me, I do not think I need the vaccine over scientific facts is just plain asking for trouble. It's like saying I am 70% sure I will not get C19, so I won't get the vaccine. Suffocating to death is enough to prompt me to get the Vac, along with causing someone else to die that way.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Billy Z
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[StuM]

11 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I’ve lost a former boss and another retired co-worker in the last 5 days to Covid. They were both great people. It’s not over.

Sorry to hear. 

[iacas]

Maybe some people will tell us again how great Florida’s doing?

 

Florida reports more than 10,000 COVID-19 variant cases, surge after spring break - ABC News

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[weberd27]

Just now, iacas said:

Maybe some people will tell us again how great Florida’s doing?

 

Florida reports more than 10,000 COVID-19 variant cases, surge after spring break - ABC News

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In my humble opinion Florida is not doing great at all.  Good to see local cases finally go down in the Palm Beach County area today.  Overall, my experience in Palm Beach County has been decent considering we have had a mask mandate in place until the state recently terminated any county mandates.  I went to the mall this weekend in Palm Beach Gardens and I would suggest about 10% of people were not wearing any masks and not following the mall rules to wear them.  Considering no one can know who's vaccinated and who is not, I consider this kind of behavior to be selfish.  I wish everyone could come together to do the right thing to put this pandemic behind us.

[mattm16]

Personally, I think Florida is doing fine; along with the other states that are open.  I am from Michigan, where we have had a lot more restrictions than other states; yet; our numbers were high until most recently.  The death rate from COVID is extremely small.  Everyone takes risks everyday in life whether it be driving to work, going on a trip, etc.  Just because you get COVID doesn't mean you will be in a hospital, let alone die.  No matter what, I don't think I need the vaccine.  It's as simple as that.  I'm getting it because of friends and family.  If I didn't have those, I am 100% sure I wouldn't get it.  It's just not worth it to me.

Anyways, everyone has a right to their opinion and that is what makes discussion good.  It wouldn't be a good discussion if everyone agreed with what the other was saying.  As I say to friends, we can disagree and still be friends.  That really is not hard. 

[Vinsk]

31 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

I don't think I need the vaccine.  It's as simple as that.  I'm getting it because of friends and family.  If I didn't have those, I am 100% sure I wouldn't get it.  It's just not worth it to me.

I guess some people will just never understand.

 

32 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

As I say to friends, we can disagree and still be friends.  That really is not hard. 

Well..it’s not a matter of disagreeing, it’s a matter of one being right…and the other wrong. Sorry…it’s just that simple.

[iacas]

41 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

Everyone takes risks everyday in life whether it be driving to work, going on a trip, etc.

If you could take a vaccine that guaranteed you'd never die in a car accident, or seriously injure anyone else in a car accident, nearly everyone would take it as soon as possible.

41 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

No matter what, I don't think I need the vaccine.  It's as simple as that.  I'm getting it because of friends and family.  If I didn't have those, I am 100% sure I wouldn't get it.  It's just not worth it to me.

Nobody is saying "get the vaccine to be totally selfish." MOST of the reason for MOST everyone to get it is for others.

Jeez.

This shit ain't that complicated.

I'm glad you're getting it, but gosh you're making it hard to simply give you the credit for it.

[saevel25]

Yep, it is really awesome that I don't have to worry about infecting my family and friends. 

 

[mattm16]

43 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

I guess some people will just never understand.

 

Well..it’s not a matter of disagreeing, it’s a matter of one being right…and the other wrong. Sorry…it’s just that simple.

Who says you are right?  Who says I’m wrong?  That’s the problem.  People don’t take the time to hear what the other person says; they just assume they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. Not necessarily.  A person should be able to listen to what the other person says and while they might not agree; appreciate where they are coming from

[billchao]

1 hour ago, mattm16 said:

I'm getting it because of friends and family.  If I didn't have those, I am 100% sure I wouldn't get it.

This reads a bit like you don’t give a shit about COVID affecting other people if they aren’t your friends or family. I don’t know if that’s what you meant to convey but that’s how it comes off.

[saevel25]

4 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

Who says you are right?  Who says I’m wrong?  That’s the problem.  People don’t take the time to hear what the other person says; they just assume they are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. Not necessarily.  A person should be able to listen to what the other person says and while they might not agree; appreciate where they are coming from

Not all the time. 

In this case, outside of medical issues (preexisting), there is no good reason to skip taking the vaccine. People can try to justify it, but every excuse is just shallow. 

[mattm16]

3 minutes ago, billchao said:

This reads a bit like you don’t give a shit about COVID affecting other people if they aren’t your friends or family. I don’t know if that’s what you meant to convey but that’s how it comes off.

Not what I meant.  Friends and Family want me to get it due to reasons that you have said.  I, however, don’t see a reason to get it.  I’m doing it because they want me to not because I want to.  If it makes them rest easier then I’ll do it.  If they didn’t exist then more than likely I wouldn’t even care to get it

[Vinsk]

13 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

I, however, don’t see a reason to get it.

Right. You don’t. You just can’t understand it. It’s not complicated. It’s not just you and your family, friends that matter. It’s everyone. By not vaccinating you are allowing yourself to be a host who can pass the virus on to someone who could become very ill or die. It has nothing to do with how Covid affects you. I don’t get what part of that you don’t understand.

[Shorty]

30 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

  I, however, don’t see a reason to get it.  I’m doing it because they want me to not because I want to.  If it makes them rest easier then I’ll do it.  If they didn’t exist then more than likely I wouldn’t even care to get it

Shame on you you ignorant, ignorant person. If everyone was like you you'd see people with polio all over the place and infant mortality rates that would make you shudder. How the heck can someone in a progressive, civilised society say the "don't see a reason" to get it. Absolutely incredible.

How dare you say "Who says you are right?  Who says I’m wrong?"

You are wrong. Science says you're wrong. The only people who agree with you are uneducated morons who believe in every conspiracy theory that has ever existed. There is ZERO evidence to say you're right.

I wonder if these people see a reason to get it. I wonder if they think their "freedoms" are being eroded.

 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Shorty

[mattm16]

9 hours ago, Shorty said:

Shame on you you ignorant, ignorant person. If everyone was like you you'd see people with polio all over the place and infant mortality rates that would make you shudder. How the heck can someone in a progressive, civilised society say the "don't see a reason" to get it. Absolutely incredible.

How dare you say "Who says you are right?  Who says I’m wrong?"

You are wrong. Science says you're wrong. The only people who agree with you are uneducated morons who believe in every conspiracy theory that has ever existed. There is ZERO evidence to say you're right.

I wonder if these people see a reason to get it. I wonder if they think their "freedoms" are being eroded.

 

You know, I don't appreciate being called ignorant, uneducated and a moron just because I have a different opinion than you.  That is what is wrong with people, just because a person has a different opinion doesn't necessarily make them ignorant or stupid or a moron.  I was raised differently.  I was raised to respect a persons opinion and just because it differs than yours, doesn't mean the person is a moron or ignorant.  It means they have a different opinion, and they have a right to that.  Wouldn't discussions be boring if everyone agreed with everyone in the discussion?  During those productive discussions, who says one person is right and one person is wrong?

Also, I don't believe in most conspiracy theory's.  

You have your opinion, and I have mine.  Just because I don't agree with you  doesn't mean I'm ignorant.  And you are not ignorant either.  Show some respect, man.

[boogielicious]

9 hours ago, Shorty said:

Shame on you you ignorant, ignorant person. If everyone was like you you'd see people with polio all over the place and infant mortality rates that would make you shudder. How the heck can someone in a progressive, civilised society say the "don't see a reason" to get it. Absolutely incredible.

How dare you say "Who says you are right?  Who says I’m wrong?"

You are wrong. Science says you're wrong. The only people who agree with you are uneducated morons who believe in every conspiracy theory that has ever existed. There is ZERO evidence to say you're right.

I wonder if these people see a reason to get it. I wonder if they think their "freedoms" are being eroded.

 

Please keep it civil.

[DaveP043]

9 hours ago, Vinsk said:

 By not vaccinating you are allowing yourself to be a host who can pass the virus on to someone who could become very ill or die. It has nothing to do with how Covid affects you. 

 

30 minutes ago, mattm16 said:

During those productive discussions, who says one person is right and one person is wrong?

@Vinsk has pretty clearly summarized the "truth" based on current scientific understanding.  We, meaning somewhere between most and all of us, need to be vaccinated out of concern for society, for every single person we may come into contact with.  To choose not to be vaccinated is to choose to increase the risk of infection for everyone you interact with.  Do you not accept that as reality, or is there some other reason that you would choose not to get vaccinated?

[Double Mocha Man]

2 hours ago, mattm16 said:

You know, I don't appreciate being called ignorant, uneducated and a moron just because I have a different opinion than you

If I spill a hot cup of coffee in my lap it's going to burn. If I drop a golf ball it's going to go down. Some matters are just not open to opinion.