General COVID-19 Topic

[CarlSpackler]

They weren't all that great, but I imagine we will be seeing more and more of this.

FALLOUT: 51 Steak ‘n Shake restaurants are now shut down permanently

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Steak ’n Shake has permanently closed 51 of its company-owned restaurants nationwide, and anot...

 

This is plain stupid.

Boy Scouts banned from planting American flags on veterans' graves for Memorial Day due to coronavirus

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A longtime Memorial Day weekend tradition to honor veterans is now canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic, but there are persisting calls...

 

[David in FL]

20 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

They weren't all that great, but I imagine we will be seeing more and more of this.

FALLOUT: 51 Steak ‘n Shake restaurants are now shut down permanently

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Steak ’n Shake has permanently closed 51 of its company-owned restaurants nationwide, and anot...

 

This is plain stupid.

Boy Scouts banned from planting American flags on veterans' graves for Memorial Day due to coronavirus

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A longtime Memorial Day weekend tradition to honor veterans is now canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic, but there are persisting calls...

 

That’s sad.

A tradition that my daughter has shared with my Eagle Scout Godson for almost 15 years.  As shown in my avatar...

[iacas]

A Spectacularly Bad Washington Post Story on Apple and Google’s Exposure Notification Project

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“Unbending stance” is a rather harsh description of Apple and Google’s desire not to (a) “undermine people’s privacy” or (b) “drain phone battery life”. This isn’t an “unbending stance”. It’s table stakes for designing a...

 

[CarlSpackler]

I'm sure this will go to a higher court and possibly the SC, but...

Court Rules Against Dr. Amy Acton | 700WLW

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The owner of a gym in Lake County, Ohio has won an injunction blocking the state from enforcing the order to shut them down.

 

[Papa Steve 55]

A couple studies have shown that monkeys do get immunity after Covid-19. Good news if it also applies to humans.

[iacas]

14 minutes ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

A couple studies have shown that monkeys do get immunity after Covid-19. Good news if it also applies to humans.

If this virus behaves like basically every other virus in human history, it will.

[dennyjones]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

If this virus behaves like basically every other virus in human history, it will.

+1

[CarlSpackler]

3 hours ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

A couple studies have shown that monkeys do get immunity after Covid-19. Good news if it also applies to humans.

[DeadMan]

3 hours ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

A couple studies have shown that monkeys do get immunity after Covid-19. Good news if it also applies to humans.

Good news for my mother in law!

[bwdial]

Wait... what?

A mink may have transmitted COVID-19 to a human.

[boogielicious]

13 hours ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

A couple studies have shown that monkeys do get immunity after Covid-19. Good news if it also applies to humans.

I have a lot of body hair, so this is welcome news!😜

[CarlSpackler]

10 hours ago, DeadMan said:

Good news for my mother in law!

Oh, that's cold. 🤣

39 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I have a lot of body hair, so this is welcome news!😜

Have the same problem. That stuff won't grow on my head, but it wants to grow everywhere else.

In other news, restaurants in Ohio opened for indoor dining today. I imagine my favorite wing bar will be PACKED! I just need to figure out how to eat wings while wearing a mask... 🤔

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[billchao]

Coronavirus 'does not spread easily' by touching surfaces or objects, CDC now says. But it still 'may be possible'.

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The CDC says COVID-19 "does not spread easily" on contaminated surfaces or objects, nor by animal-to-human...

 

[Bonvivant]

13 hours ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

A couple studies have shown that monkeys do get immunity after Covid-19. Good news if it also applies to humans.

This is probably the thing that has driven me nuts the most during this. Whenever I mention that there is a potential that a substantial portion (could be 10 percent, could be 75) of the population that has already had the virus, and is now immune, the first thing I get is "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS IMMUNITY!", which is true. I don't "know" that people will get immunity if they have it, but

13 hours ago, iacas said:

If this virus behaves like basically every other virus in human history, it will.

It is so frustrating to me that people are so afraid of this that they look passed logic and reason.

[JGus]

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-designer-of-florida-coronavirus-data-removed-20200519-pqcrhrduwvh5xp6huxhgymlnde-story.html

If this is actually true, which wouldn't surprise me, but just another reason why data being presented (on any topic) can't always be believed or trusted.

And couldn't get the link to embed the article.

[CarlSpackler]

1 hour ago, JGus said:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-designer-of-florida-coronavirus-data-removed-20200519-pqcrhrduwvh5xp6huxhgymlnde-story.html

If this is actually true, which wouldn't surprise me, but just another reason why data being presented (on any topic) can't always be believed or trusted.

And couldn't get the link to embed the article.

Yes. It seems both sides are massaging the data to support their beliefs. 

[CarlSpackler]

Straight from the CDC, so can we take the stupid noodles out of cups and allow flags to be removed again?

Coronavirus 'does not spread easily' by touching surfaces or objects, CDC now says. But it still 'may be possible.'

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The CDC says COVID-19 "does not spread easily" on contaminated surfaces or objects, nor by animal-to-human contact, or vice versa.

 

[nicolas wieder]

9 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

Yes. It seems both sides are massaging the data to support their beliefs. 

Disagree. As a physician for 30 years and with friends in the CDC and WHO at high administrative levels, this type of comment is potentially damaging and usually meant to massage the data of only one side. The side of who want to design their own personal public health habits under the umbrella of freedoms, because, frankly, they are frustrated with the requirements.

I think that everyone should do what they want as a personal freedom if they are only putting themselves in danger. But please don't pretend there is 'data on the other side' that supports the behavior. 

The bottom line is that the best preventative we have so far is social distancing, and droplet barriers, whether that be mask or lucite in public places. Gloves should be worn in certain situation but handwashing is always important, gloves or not. There will likely be a vaccine, however, it is important to remember that we have not been able to create a vaccine for some prominent viruses that have high mutation capabilities.

The science is real. Legislative or state regulation suggestions are just that. They are a necessary compromise between public health science and maintenance of the architecture and structural elements of our communities. They are not 'beliefs'. For those not in the sciences or medicine, the word guidelines is confusing. Guidelines are NOT best medical practices in most cases. They are an intersection of best medical practice with various other components. In health systems, guidelines represent the intersection of medical quality and resource allocation, for instance. The 'sweet spot'. In this case, the component may be described as economic sustainability of our communities. Some states are making smarter compromises than others. We will have much data when this is over about how to go forward in future pandemics. My prediction is that the best results will occur in areas where the public health - state government partnership has been the most equal. We'll see. 

Below is an evidence based effectiveness model scaled for relative effectiveness for what really works, with examples.