Rory/DJ vs. Rickie/Wolff Skins Game at Seminole!

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

When I was that age, I walked and carried all the time. 

So?

We know more now.

[billchao]

15 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

And they still had trouble holding shots on the greens!

Yea you could definitely tell the difference in the firmness of the turf between the shots in the fairway and the shots on the green.

[CarlSpackler]

FWIW, the non-golfers in the house liked it. That would be my wife and my daughter.

[Killa]

14 hours ago, billchao said:

Drives were plugging. There were a couple that even backed up a foot or two.

And there were some that went 400y. 

[huron76]

I enjoyed many aspects of this event that have been already mentioned. Carrying their own bag, using rangefinders, and most importantly, reading the greens for their own putts. I could relate and hope that maybe some of these different ideas become more common place. 

[boogielicious]

I taped it and FF through the commercials. I like the course visually. I liked the players carrying and would not have minded it they used push carts. I thought Wolff had the best comments and showed that Golf is Hard ™️ when he was in the native area sand. Ricky showed that you don’t have to be the longest player to play well, although he is pretty long.

[iacas]

16 hours ago, Killa said:

And the course really didn’t look special to me, wide open with some really large elements of water and waste/sand areas. Pretty boring, there are probably 12 better courses in the UK alone. 

 

16 hours ago, Killa said:

I’ve been checking it out on google maps and their fairways are wider than their driving range...

 

1 hour ago, Killa said:

And there were some that went 400y. 

I'm trying to figure out what your point is here.

Have you read up on the course? Because you know, the Old Course doesn't look all that great on TV. Hell, the first fairway is wider than some driving ranges are long, after all. Pros can drive many of the par fours. Etc. etc.

You planning to take a dump on the Old Course next? 😛

Probably not.

Odds are the folks who ranked it 12th probably know a bit more about architecture than you and I combined, I'd think. It's probably not too far off from its rightful place.

If you have an argument based on the actual architecture, and not a single four-hour TV coverage with some of the game's best (only half of which broke par, and not by a lot), we'd love to hear it.

[klineka]

2 hours ago, huron76 said:

and most importantly, reading the greens for their own putts. 

I feel like in a normal tournament most players read well over 50% (probably over 75% too) of their own putts and typically only call in the caddie for a read when the player is unsure of the read or it's an important putt and they want the reassurance their line is right.

It's not like every player has their caddy read every putt normally and players are uncapable of reading them so them having to read greens on their own was a test for them or something.

[nevets88]

Comin' at ya.

[Buckeyebowman]

On 5/18/2020 at 10:11 PM, iacas said:

So?

We know more now.

Know more about what?

On 5/19/2020 at 7:07 AM, iacas said:

 

 

I'm trying to figure out what your point is here.

Have you read up on the course? Because you know, the Old Course doesn't look all that great on TV. Hell, the first fairway is wider than some driving ranges are long, after all. Pros can drive many of the par fours. Etc. etc.

You planning to take a dump on the Old Course next? 😛

Probably not.

Odds are the folks who ranked it 12th probably know a bit more about architecture than you and I combined, I'd think. It's probably not too far off from its rightful place.

If you have an argument based on the actual architecture, and not a single four-hour TV coverage with some of the game's best (only half of which broke par, and not by a lot), we'd love to hear it.

Don't you get it man? All the courses in the old country are far superior to those here in the new world! Even though some of them were designed by men from the old country. It seems that once they set foot on our soil, they lost their touch and they became poor designers! 

[iacas]

38 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Know more about what?

About the damage and risks of carrying your bag.

[Buckeyebowman]

All of my damage came from other sports. Football and basketball basically. 

[Herkimer]

Seminole is extremely over-rated.  I'll believe my own eyes every day rather than what I'm told to believe.  Tough greens don't make a great course.  You need a lot more than that.  

[iacas]

5 hours ago, Herkimer said:

Seminole is extremely over-rated.  I'll believe my own eyes every day rather than what I'm told to believe.  Tough greens don't make a great course.  You need a lot more than that.  

It has a lot more than that.

Have your “own eyes” actually seen the course in person? Didn’t think so.

[HJJ003]

7 hours ago, Herkimer said:

Seminole is extremely over-rated.  I'll believe my own eyes every day rather than what I'm told to believe.  Tough greens don't make a great course.  You need a lot more than that.  

I am in the category that Seminole is over-rated, but only slightly so. 

Tough greens are not the only reason a course can be great, however tough AND interesting greens go a long way to making a course special. Elevated table top greens were genius for the seminole design, because it forces the golfer to take an aerial route to hold many of the greens...but for a coastal course the aerial route can be extremely challenging due to the usually high winds coming off the coast. And the nasty green side bunkers make short siding oneself something to absolutely avoid..otherwise forget golf your playing ping pong! However, though the great challenge awaits the good player that wants to get aggressive...the average Joe can scrap together a score in their usual range if they drive the ball ok and just avoid taking too much risk on approach shots. Very playable off the tee, which is why some claim it is overrated. 

The routing is what really makes the course stand out to architecture nerds. Ross took a fairly uninteresting piece of land (except for the coastal view) and routing much of the course (many greens and tees and even a few fairways!) along two ridges on opposite ends of the property that allow for great views, the most wind exposure, different angles to encounter the wind, and of course constantly bringing the golfer back to the most interesting topography on the course throughout the round. I (like many others) am not a fan of the numerous man made lakes through the middle of the course, but Ross had no choice really because of the bowl like nature between the ridges...he ad some drainage problems to deal with. There are many architects out there that should take a lesson from Ross on how to route a golf course and maybe we would have less dull courses on interesting land!

Also...I have come to the conclusion that Seminole is the American version of Muirfield in the UK. Both courses have their admirers and their strong critics. Both courses are textbook examples of how a golf course can be routed. Both are coastal, and both have less than special topography. The weaknesses are similar but in different ways...Seminole is more challenging around the greens and more playable tee to green, while Muirfield has very subtle green contours, but can be a bear Tee to green. 

Both are great courses in my opinion, but both are a hair over-rated by some as well (again IMO). 

[Darkfrog]

I just watched the replay on PGA Tour Live and man was it boring. I enjoyed seeing a course I’ve heard a lot about, but the coverage visuals didn’t do much, and the commentary didn’t add much with regards to course design. 

I found the Bill Murray and Trump segments distracting.

With minimal production and no galleries, each player’s screen presence (or lack of) really shines.

Funny because I do enjoy watching Rory, Rickie, and DJ play in normal events. Don’t know enough about Wolff, but I’d watch him in featured group too.

At least it’s golf on TV. 

[Sandy Divot]

Seminole might be a better course, but I liked the look of Medalist better. If invited, I'd be happy to play either.

[billchao]

9 hours ago, Darkfrog said:

I just watched the replay on PGA Tour Live and man was it boring. I enjoyed seeing a course I’ve heard a lot about, but the coverage visuals didn’t do much, and the commentary didn’t add much with regards to course design. 

I found the Bill Murray and Trump segments distracting.

With minimal production and no galleries, each player’s screen presence (or lack of) really shines.

Funny because I do enjoy watching Rory, Rickie, and DJ play in normal events. Don’t know enough about Wolff, but I’d watch him in featured group too.

At least it’s golf on TV. 

There’s really no comparison between the two events. I watched this one right from the start, got bored in less than an hour (and I was really interested in seeing the course, too). The other event I wasn’t able to watch until there was about an hour left and I was glued to my screen the entire time.

I think part of it is they tried to broadcast this event like a regular tour event with the announcers and everything, and the other event had Charles Barkley basically being one of the bro’s joining in the banter between the players.