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David in FL Incredible Member

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If he's got time for this (below), I think he's got time to say, "ball starts where the face is aimed and curves away from the path".  Also 90% of slicers already have a leftward facing face at impact.

This exactly why I don't watch his nonsense......

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lumpuckeroo
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I just watch Holly.

iceman777
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Hall is a bit much , with all his gimmicks . Have this image of him suggesting you go to the range  with a water bucket on your head , standing on one foot with your left eye closed , and a headcover

nick1998bunker Great Member

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If the face is left, the ball will start left.  If he's got time for this (below), I think he's got time to say, "ball starts where the face is aimed and curves away from the path".  Also 90% of slicers already have a leftward facing face at impact.

Ok yeah that's wrong. And he was saying that for a slice you aim way left and open face way up but it will start more right than intended so aim more left he was saying.

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I've been known to tune in to Martin Hall's show just to see what his lovely assistant is wearing ... sad I know...

John

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inthehole Great Member

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[QUOTE name="mvmac" url="/t/69919/has-the-golf-channel-helped-you-play-better-or-do-you-just-watch-holly-sonders/18#post_896507"] Couple examples.  With the resources available to him there is no excuse for this. [/QUOTE] For those of us less knowledgeable on the golf swing ... can you explain what's wrong with this example rather than just claiming there is no excuse for this ?     Breed explains what he's going to do & executes basically a snap hook as planned.     I've seen this set up explanation many times using alignment rods - I have seen a video of Justin Rose explaining how to hit a draw explained exactly the same way.    Is it not the "proper" way to move a ball right to left ?     Just seems cynical to call it incorrect when he executes what he says he's going to do ...

John

Fav LT Quote ... "you can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen"

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Hardballs Great Member

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I wondered who this guy was!!! My god he can talk, I watched him explain how to not top a ball and he never even breathed in for 3 minutes!! I've seen a few of his segments and I would say your all correct, he makes some good points, but also talks a lot of Rubbish!...without breathing in, when I first saw him I couldn't stand him at all, but he has since grown on me but only ver slightly!.. VERY Slightly!

Gaz Lee

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For those of us less knowledgeable on the golf swing ... can you explain what's wrong with this example rather than just claiming there is no excuse for this ?     Breed explains what he's going to do & executes basically a snap hook as planned.     I've seen this set up explanation many times using alignment rods - I have seen a video of Justin Rose explaining how to hit a draw explained exactly the same way.    Is it not the "proper" way to move a ball right to left ?     Just seems cynical to call it incorrect when he executes what he says he's going to do ...

There is no excuse because it's 2013.  It's not like Breed doesn't have access to tools like Trackman and Flightscope, can easily do some research or consult other instructors.  He's wrong when he says "set the face where you want it to finish".  And he's not doing that below.  Face is aiming to where the ball has to start, RIGHT.  Can you hit a hook doing that?  Sure it's a draw/hook that would start well LEFT of the target.

Please read this

http://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws

Here's the shot Bubba hit, the 40 yard hook.  The red circle (might even be more to the right) is where the green is.  Is he aiming the clubface at the green?

Ok so maybe he really closed the face at impact and the face is pointing towards the green.  Well if the face was aimed towards the green, then the ball would start towards the crowd and into the trees.  Really tough to tell in these pics but we know the ball came out of the gap and hooked on the green.  We know the ball starts primarily where the FACE is pointing at impact and curves away from the ball.  So Bubba's clubface had to have been aimed well LEFT of the green, not aimed at the green.

The 45 degree closed club head.

It's definitely extreme but if you're trying to hit a huge hook it's ok to have the face closed 10-15* to your body line (and the ball back) but the face sure as hell isn't aimed at the target.  Obviously for a stock draw you just aim the body at or a couple degrees right of the target (for a righty) and the face right of the target.

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inthehole Great Member

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ah ok - I have a better understanding now, thanks.   Funny, the whole "set the clubhead where you want the ball to finish" must have been beat into old school instructors minds - you see that a lot in youtube video's that talk about working the ball.

John

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Holly, Lauren, the blonde dating Phelps...

I cannot listen to Breed because listening to him is like reading a golf magazine ... you don't know how much is wrong or right for you.

So I ignore him.

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Hammer 4 Great Member

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I started watching when the GC first came on. After watching various coaches and instructors, all I got was semi confused. In the beginning outside of all the instruction stuff, it was fairly good, now it seems like with NBC is has way more commercials and is geared toward entertainment and selling stuff, at least IMHO. So, I mainly watch the tournaments.

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c peterich Well Established Member

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Golf channel is all about a quick fix..or driving range tips. I used to love this channel,..it is so commercialized now...all big business

Like working on the swing,,score means nothing to me. Might just go to the range and give up playing... ( might happen)

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I think I overdosed on Holly, now i just focus on certain of her attributes, I mean certain parts of her show, I mean you know what i mean!!!

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I think I overdosed on Holly, now i just focus on certain of her attributes, I mean certain parts of her show, I mean you know what i mean!!!

Me two...I mean me too. ;-)

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teed off Well Established Member

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Breed does have some beneficial ideas and his demos of how to hit a golf ball can be helpful but, I believe that his primary objective is to promote and advertise Titleist equipment.

It seems that every time he is on camera he has a piece of Titleist equipment in his hands with the Titleist name or logo facing the camera.

Holly Sonders is essentially "window dressing"  to maintain viewer ratings.

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I usually learn something from watching their regular men's, women's, Euro, minor league tour event broadcasts, slow motioning swings with the PVR. Can never get tired of seeing all the different swings out there.

Steve

Kill slow play. Allow walking. Reduce ineffective golf instruction. Use environmentally friendly course maintenance.

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