2017 Farmers Insurance Open Discussion Thread

[Golfingdad]

2 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

There used to be a South is harder than North scoring variation when playing Torrey, is that still the case after they have remodeled the courses?

Or should I just stick to a morning v. afternoon v. weather guess when picking my fantasy lineups?

They only remodeled the north this time around and, in general, I think the move made the course easier.  Way fewer bunkers, less severe slopes to the greens, etc ... so the only thing that would make it harder for the pros would be a slight bit of added length.  I suspect, though, that those extra couple of hundred yards doesn't do enough to make it harder and it'll still be a stroke or whatever easier than the south as it has been in the past.

That's a wild guess, though. :)

[nevets88]

And we have video proof of Woods hitting a Taylor Made M2 (or whatever) driver.

 

[No Mulligans]

59 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

They only remodeled the north this time around and, in general, I think the move made the course easier.  Way fewer bunkers, less severe slopes to the greens, etc ... so the only thing that would make it harder for the pros would be a slight bit of added length.  I suspect, though, that those extra couple of hundred yards doesn't do enough to make it harder and it'll still be a stroke or whatever easier than the south as it has been in the past.

That's a wild guess, though. :)

The greens are much easier at least for me.  The rest of the course played more or less the same difficulty as before for me.  So overall, it was easier.  Those greens were rolling so true with none of the previous course problems of not being able to stop a putt near a hole.

Weiskopf (the course designer for the remodel) did say there are spots for hole placements to make it more difficult for the pros.  And it does have the extra length.

I'm guessing the course will be playing easier for the pros than before and easier than the South as before.

Here's a quote from Weiskopf:

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“The statistic I’ve always designed against is this: There are 25 million golfers in the U.S. as defined by the National Golf Foundation. Ninety-two percent of the 25 million golfers do not break 90. Fifty percent of the 92 percent don’t break 100. Eight-and-a-half percent break 90, but don’t break 80. One half of one percent, assuming they play by the rules, break 80. It’s a very hard game.

“We have to get people around here. It wasn’t its purpose for us, to make it equal [in difficulty] to the south. It’s for those who come out and play and we want them to come back and play.

 

22 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

And we have video proof of Woods hitting a Taylor Made M2 (or whatever) driver.

 

Almost finished at 11:03, started at 6:40.  About a 5 hour round, probably to be expected playing a pro am.

Do the pro's have to play in the pro am?

[iacas]

30 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

And we have video proof of Woods hitting a Taylor Made M2 (or whatever) driver.

 

He used that at the HERO, Steven.

[nevets88]

19 minutes ago, iacas said:

He used that at the HERO, Steven.

Oh ya, I forgot. Video proof now as official endorser! 

[Golfingdad]

57 minutes ago, No Mulligans said:

The greens are much easier at least for me.  The rest of the course played more or less the same difficulty as before for me.  So overall, it was easier.  Those greens were rolling so true with none of the previous course problems of not being able to stop a putt near a hole.

Based on the ratings, it looks like they think it'll be harder.  Old back tees were 6915/73.2/130 and the new tips are 7258/75.3/131.

Also, I notice that the new taupe tees have almost the same ratings as the old blacks (73.2/126 vs. 73.2/130) despite being 134 yards shorter.  6781 vs. 6915.  That would lead me to believe that the raters seems to think the course is a teensy bit harder than it used to be.

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Another thing I notice from the overheads that I like - fewer trees.  Looks like almost all trees between 10/11 are gone (or replanted I guess) and all of the trees to the left side of 16 are gone so now the view will be unobstructed for that entire hole. :)

[No Mulligans]

36 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Based on the ratings, it looks like they think it'll be harder.  Old back tees were 6915/73.2/130 and the new tips are 7258/75.3/131.

Also, I notice that the new taupe tees have almost the same ratings as the old blacks (73.2/126 vs. 73.2/130) despite being 134 yards shorter.  6781 vs. 6915.  That would lead me to believe that the raters seems to think the course is a teensy bit harder than it used to be.

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Another thing I notice from the overheads that I like - fewer trees.  Looks like almost all trees between 10/11 are gone (or replanted I guess) and all of the trees to the left side of 16 are gone so now the view will be unobstructed for that entire hole. :)

Yes, a lot of trees were removed.  I really liked the Torrey Pines along west side of the 16th.  Weiskoph said it was a shame to remove so many trees but they were dying (if I recall correctly he said it was a beetle infestation).

[zero]

9 hours ago, iacas said:

Thank you.

I don't know why but I feel like they were implying he was fully on board right now (I don't expect the Scotty will ever leave the bag again, though).

More details http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/woods-hasnt-ditched-nike-irons-wedges-yet

[Scotsclaff]

I will be following this .

I spent 3 weeks in San Diego and had the pleasure of playing both North and South courses.

Can't wait to see what the BEEF does. Go tiger!!!

[boogielicious]

5 hours ago, Scotsclaff said:

I will be following this .

I spent 3 weeks in San Diego and had the pleasure of playing both North and South courses.

Can't wait to see what the BEEF does. Go tiger!!!

I merged your thread with the other Torrey Pines thread.

[iacas]

Over-Under for Tiger today is 71.5: which are you taking?

I'm tempted to take the under. And since I probably won't post again before he starts play, that's probably where I'll have to end up.

He plays these courses well, but at the same time, he's just returning to competition. So… I'm conflicted.

[Yukari]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Over-Under for Tiger today is 71.5: which are you taking?

I'm tempted to take the under. And since I probably won't post again before he starts play, that's probably where I'll have to end up.

He plays these courses well, but at the same time, he's just returning to competition. So… I'm conflicted.

I will take the under.  I think he will shoot in the 60's today.

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Over-Under for Tiger today is 71.5: which are you taking?

I'm tempted to take the under. And since I probably won't post again before he starts play, that's probably where I'll have to end up.

He plays these courses well, but at the same time, he's just returning to competition. So… I'm conflicted.

I'd probably take the under on the first day, depending on the weather.  My guess is that, like in the Bahamas, he'll start strong, and experience a few moments of fatigue or lack of concentration as the week goes along, and he gets himself into competition shape.  My guess is that Day 1 is the most likely day for him to go low.

[Wanzo]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Over-Under for Tiger today is 71.5: which are you taking?

I'm tempted to take the under. And since I probably won't post again before he starts play, that's probably where I'll have to end up.

He plays these courses well, but at the same time, he's just returning to competition. So… I'm conflicted.

I think he'll play well today, but that said I think he'll have enough rust and a few bad holes that he ends up over. 

[David in FL]

Betting on the under...

...but hoping for the over.  

[Club Rat]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Over-Under for Tiger today is 71.5: which are you taking?

Given Tag's history at TP, he should do well. I'll take the under.

If for nothing more than to generate hype, an opening round 68 would be fun....

[CarlSpackler]

I really don't know. It could go either way. I'm taking over.

[Groucho Valentine]

Im taking the over. I say he comes in 73-75.