Which Was Worse: Tiger vs. Phil?

[turtleback]

Tiger's scandal or Phil's.  Explain your choice.

Edited February 24, 2022 by turtleback

[boogielicious]

Phil by a landslide. Many, many tour players have had discretions and some we revere like Tom Watson and Arnie. But in those cases, they did nothing to damage the sport or insult the PGA Tour or try to destroy the PGA Tour with unrivaled greed.

[Piz]

I was disappointed in Tiger.  I am gob-smacked by Phil.  

[Carl3]

Worse to the universe or to professional golf? To American professional golf, Phil did more harm. To the world, I think Tiger did more harm.

Tiger hurt and scarred people and sent their lives on unimaginable trajectories. What about the Perkins waitress who actually thought Tiger was going to leave his wife for her? What about his children and former wife?

Does the PGA tour own professional golf?

Phil seems like is a major doofus. Why would you insult scarry MFs by proclaiming these sentiments to the world? I would be afraid to travel to certain parts of the world and be afraid for my family after saying things like that.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Carl3

[woodzie264]

48 minutes ago, Piz said:

I was disappointed in Tiger.  I am gob-smacked by Phil.  

Exactly

[Darkfrog]

Phil’s and it’s not really even close comparison for me.

[iacas]

3 hours ago, Carl3 said:

To the world, I think Tiger did more harm.

To the world? The dude f***ed some women.

For all we know, Elin knew about it. And for all we know, Phil did the very same thing. There have been rumors about children he's fathered, about he and Amy being swingers, about Michael Jordan… etc.

And here's the deal with that sort of stuff: I don't really care. That's their personal lives.

This is golf. And Phil f***ed up in a golf sense, royally. He's a schmuck. His "everyman" thing is as phony as a $3 bill.

Did you hear the bit about how he filmed the memorial video for Tim Rosaforte… by holding the PGA Championship trophy in his lap the entire time? Who f***ing does that in a memorial video?

P.S. "Royally" wasn't intended as a pun, but it could be.

[Denny Bang Bang]

I’m no big Tiger fan, nor a hater.  His personal transgressions are, personal.  I’ll leave that for he and his family.

Phil on the other hand… let’s just say I’ve become much less of a fan over the past while.  He’s publicly lashing out at the PGA (that in part made him).  And at the rules committees (which I believe do a good job creating a fair competition), while also getting in hot water for insider trading… guess he doesn’t like rules in general.

[imsys0042]

Phil by a mile.  One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is that trying to break off top talent, hence revenue, ratings and interest away from the pga tour hurts not only the Tour but everything in that eco system.  While I think there are better ways to get the tour to bend on some things, although I have no interest in paying millionaires like Hoffman even more money, Norman and Mickelson are beyond the pale.

They both don’t care about anyone other than themselves.   And they aren’t honest enough to say “we are doing it strictly for the cash”.  One thing that comes to mind is that if you have so much money, why not start with young, unrecognized talent and start a brand new entity?   No, they want to suck the big draws from the organization that gave them their success and claim they are top dog.   

For me, the stink on both of them won’t come off for a long time.

[phan52]

On 2/24/2022 at 2:44 PM, Piz said:

I was disappointed in Tiger.  I am gob-smacked by Phil.  

That's where I am on this.

[sjduffers]

Tiger failed on a personal way, but at least he always managed to represent golf as a sport and the Tour as an organization in a good light, and when he couldn't do it, it would stay away from microphones.

Phil royally screwed the pooch, the Tour and everything else, for all to see and yacked about it to a reporter, like he had done a good thing. Face palm.

[dzjc]

Phil.  By an order of magnitude.  Tiger's off-the-course transgressions are found in all of professional sports, and go way back.  And in no way are they right.  But Phil was involved in trying to undermine the PGA Tour, and causing financial anarchy. 

[Sandy Divot]

Why does one have to be worse ?

[iacas]

49 minutes ago, Sandy Divot said:

Why does one have to be worse ?

Because it's a conversation topic.

You can find them to be equally bad.

[RFKFREAK]

Phil, AINEC.

I liked Phil pretty much since I got into golf and although Tiger certainly diminished his standing with some because of his transgressions, ultimately that's related to what ppl wanted or expected him to be.  Between the insider trading and this, Phil's really shown himself to be only concerned with his bottom line and anything that maximizes that is excusable to him.  I was happy to see Rory be as direct with his comments as he was because Phil should be called out for this.

[Dr. Manhattan]

Both letdown the public and lost sponsors because of it. But it seems like Phil’s situation was worse. For years he presented himself as a fan-friendly successor to Arnold Palmer. Imagine Arnold ever making such cynical statements about the Saudi deal. “I know they are murderers, but I don’t care! I just want money and leverage on my home tour.”
 

Phil had already engaged in some insider trading years earlier and got away with it. But the Saudi thing was a few too many steps over the line. Crazy as hell that this happened pretty soon after Phil’s amazing victory against Father Time at the 2021 PGA Championship. Pretty stunning turn of events.