LIV Golf Now Closed?

[BlackDiamondPar5]

LIV Golf posts dismal rating for CW debut. 

Saturday's second-round ratings are in and they are brutal. The event averaged a 0.2 in the 26 markets that carried it. Just absolutely brutal.

 

 

LIV Golf Posts Horrid Ratings For First Event of 2023

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LIV Golf wrapped up its first tournament of 2023 on Sunday in Mayakoba...

 

 

 

 

[Bucki1968]

16 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

LIV Golf posts dismal rating for CW debut. 

Saturday's second-round ratings are in and they are brutal. The event averaged a 0.2 in the 26 markets that carried it. Just absolutely brutal.

 

 

LIV Golf Posts Horrid Ratings For First Event of 2023

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LIV Golf wrapped up its first tournament of 2023 on Sunday in Mayakoba...

 

 

 

 

I actually tuned in on Saturday and for the first 10 minutes, they had no audio. Talk about a bad omen. I watched a little on Sunday and it just isn't that interesting. Far more intriguing stories coming out of the Honda. I saw a post on Facebook from a LIV supporter talking about the lousy leaderboard at Honda. Like Charles Howell and Peter Uihlein is so much better? Paul Casey? At least the Honda guys had something to play for. Watching some of those LIV guys, it just looks like they really don't care. I'm wondering if some of the "hype" and new formats has kinda run its course. No new big names this year. 

[Elmer]

On 2/25/2023 at 5:56 PM, jmanbooyaa said:

Still good golfers just doesn’t look like they are playing for anything

Exactly.  They are not playing for their livelihood. They are not playing to qualify for next weeks round. They are not playing to solidify their legacy among PGA legends. They are playing because they sold their soul and their owners told them to play!

"Players must play in every LIV event as a fundamental condition of their contract, and LIV retains "sole discretion" in the number, location, or dates of events."

[BlackDiamondPar5]

33 minutes ago, Elmer said:

Exactly.  They are not playing for their livelihood. They are not playing to qualify for next weeks round. They are not playing to solidify their legacy among PGA legends. They are playing because they sold their soul and their owners told them to play!

"Players must play in every LIV event as a fundamental condition of their contract, and LIV retains "sole discretion" in the number, location, or dates of events."

Yep. Basically they've had life changing and in some cases" "generational wealth" dropped in their laps. Kind of like winning the lottery or getting a big inheritance that they didn't have to work for. 

 

[chspeed]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Yep. Basically they've had life changing and in some cases" "generational wealth" dropped in their laps. Kind of like winning the lottery or getting a big inheritance that they didn't have to work for. 

You can disdain their choice all you want, I certainly don't like it, but they had to work very hard to get these offers and will continue to have to work to meet their obligations. Nothing like winning a lottery or getting an inheritance IMO.

[Golfingdad]

8 hours ago, Bucki1968 said:

I actually tuned in on Saturday and for the first 10 minutes, they had no audio. Talk about a bad omen. I watched a little on Sunday and it just isn't that interesting. Far more intriguing stories coming out of the Honda. I saw a post on Facebook from a LIV supporter talking about the lousy leaderboard at Honda. Like Charles Howell and Peter Uihlein is so much better? Paul Casey? At least the Honda guys had something to play for. Watching some of those LIV guys, it just looks like they really don't care. I'm wondering if some of the "hype" and new formats has kinda run its course. No new big names this year. 

Yup.  I never heard of Eric Cole before yesterday and I very likely might forget his name tomorrow - but his story was compelling and it made the tournament interesting to watch.  There's nothing compelling and interesting about LIV, IMO.

 

[Vinsk]

4 hours ago, chspeed said:

but they had to work very hard to get these offers

Millions of people work just as hard but never get the opportunity these guys got…thanks to the PGA TOUR for most of them.

[JetFan1983]

🤣

This is what beat LIV golf this weekend, lmao:

 

[jmanbooyaa]

The most interesting thing I saw on Friday was that the CW app had the 1st season of Wayward Pines to stream. Who knew a show ai enjoyed from a few years ago was available to re watch. 

[ChetlovesMer]

5 hours ago, chspeed said:

You can disdain their choice all you want, I certainly don't like it, but they had to work very hard to get these offers and will continue to have to work to meet their obligations. Nothing like winning a lottery or getting an inheritance IMO.

This is a valid point. 

I don't like their choices either. I have said many times that I wouldn't take the money. But it won't be offered to me either. ... Unless @iacas can really coach me up in the next year or two. The guy is a great coach, but he's not a miracle worker. 🤪

Seriously though, every one of those guys is/was very talented and has worked hard at their craft for a long time. I don't like LIV Golf. I want it to fail. I want it to go away. 

[mchepp]

I was having a debate last week with a fellow golfer about who from the past might have been willing join a rival golf tour like LIV from the past. We brought up the top 20 golfers in 2000 and debated on who we thought would join 'LIV' at that time. Of course there is no clear answer to this, but it was a spirited debate. I wonder what everyone he would think.

1. Tiger Woods, United States, 29.40
2. Ernie Els, South Africa, 11.65
3. David Duval, United States, 11.20
4. Phil Mickelson, United States, 11.07
5. Lee Westwood, England, 9.46
6. Colin Montgomerie, Scotland, 8.34
7. Davis Love III, United States, 7.88
8. Hal Sutton, United States, 7.71
9. Vijay Singh, Fiji, 7.17
10. Tom Lehman, United States, 7.10
11. Jesper Parnevik, Sweden, 6.96
12. Darren Clarke, Northern Ireland, 6.77
13. Nick Price, Zimbabwe, 6.29
14. Michael Campbell, New Zealand, 5.87
15. Jim Furyk, United States, 5.76
16. Sergio Garcia, Spain, 5.67
17. Stewart Cink, United States, 5.30
18. Justin Leonard, United States, 5.22
19. John Huston, United States, 5.05
20. Thomas Bjorn, Denmark, 5.03

The one that stuck out to me was Colin Montgomerie and Vijay Singh. I am not certain Lee Westwood would have been willing to do it at the peak of his career, as he is now, but that is an interesting discussion. Nick Price, Michael Campbell and Thomas Bjorn were all in the yes column for me. Jesper is probably a strong candidate to say yes. 

What does everyone else think?

 

[Missouri Swede]

23 minutes ago, mchepp said:

I was having a debate last week with a fellow golfer about who from the past might have been willing join a rival golf tour like LIV from the past. We brought up the top 20 golfers in 2000 and debated on who we thought would join 'LIV' at that time. Of course there is no clear answer to this, but it was a spirited debate. I wonder what everyone he would think.

1. Tiger Woods, United States, 29.40
2. Ernie Els, South Africa, 11.65
3. David Duval, United States, 11.20
4. Phil Mickelson, United States, 11.07
5. Lee Westwood, England, 9.46
6. Colin Montgomerie, Scotland, 8.34
7. Davis Love III, United States, 7.88
8. Hal Sutton, United States, 7.71
9. Vijay Singh, Fiji, 7.17
10. Tom Lehman, United States, 7.10
11. Jesper Parnevik, Sweden, 6.96
12. Darren Clarke, Northern Ireland, 6.77
13. Nick Price, Zimbabwe, 6.29
14. Michael Campbell, New Zealand, 5.87
15. Jim Furyk, United States, 5.76
16. Sergio Garcia, Spain, 5.67
17. Stewart Cink, United States, 5.30
18. Justin Leonard, United States, 5.22
19. John Huston, United States, 5.05
20. Thomas Bjorn, Denmark, 5.03

The one that stuck out to me was Colin Montgomerie and Vijay Singh. I am not certain Lee Westwood would have been willing to do it at the peak of his career, as he is now, but that is an interesting discussion. Nick Price, Michael Campbell and Thomas Bjorn were all in the yes column for me. Jesper is probably a strong candidate to say yes. 

What does everyone else think?

 

Nick Price said no to Norman in the 1990s.

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/history-repeating-itself-30-years-later-greg-norman-still-challenging-most-powerful-men-golf

 

[Double Mocha Man]

57 minutes ago, mchepp said:

What does everyone else think?

Nobody messes with Hal Sutton.  He would've gone over...

[Vinsk]

So LIV is having a tournament at my other ‘home course’ Orange County National. March 31st. They’re building several structures and getting prepped. I didn’t even know this until I asked yesterday what’s up with the new buildings. @DaveP043…did you know they were playing here?

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

So LIV is having a tournament at my other ‘home course’ Orange County National. March 31st. They’re building several structures and getting prepped. I didn’t even know this until I asked yesterday what’s up with the new buildings. @DaveP043…did you know they were playing here?

Yeah, I looked at the schedule when it first came out, I noticed OCN was on the list.  They're also playing about 6 miles from my home, at Trump Washington DC (in Sterling VA).  I got to play OCN when I was there a few years ago, and I get to play at Trump one a year or every other year as part of our local inter-club league. I might go see the event here, just to discover what the on-course experience is like.  I watched maybe 20 minutes a couple weeks back, and I wasn't impressed with the CW presentation.

[BlueRidgePro]

Seems to be a lot of LIV haters here.  I have to disagree.  I watched most LIV events last year on YouTube, and this year's opening event using the LIV Plus app on my Amazon Firestick. 

The coverage of LIV is much more enjoyable to watch than the network PGA Tour event.  LIV shows about 5 times the number of golf shots, without commercials, or sponsor interviews.  I can't watch PGAT events without recording to a DVR and wearing out the 'skip' button.  I hope that competition from LIV forces networks and PGAT to improve their product,  Coverage of the majors is much more watchable.  PGAT should learn from them.  Although, given the big bucks spent on PGAT television contracts, loading them up with commercials is the only answer.

I'm a fan of both tours, so I ignore the mud-slinging from both camps.  Golf should be for the fans.  The best entertainment product possible.  The emergence of competition can only help with this.

[iacas]

5 minutes ago, BlueRidgePro said:

LIV shows about 5 times the number of golf shots, without commercials, or sponsor interviews.

LIV shows commercials now, and they didn't last year because they had no sponsors or commercial (interest).

5 minutes ago, BlueRidgePro said:

I'm a fan of both tours, so I ignore the mud-slinging from both camps.  Golf should be for the fans.  The best entertainment product possible.  The emergence of competition can only help with this.

Who cares who funds it or what their actual goals may be, amirite?

[Vinsk]

2 hours ago, BlueRidgePro said:

The coverage of LIV is much more enjoyable to watch than the network PGA Tour event

If you honestly preferred watching CH111 battle an easy 4 shot lead over Peter Ulhein to a five way tie with Spieth, Rory, Scheffler, Cantlay, Hatton all in contention at the Arnold Palmer..with an up and coming rookie winning his first after coming back from a triple bogey at #9, I don’t know what to tell ya bro……