Overrated/Underrated (Golf) Topic

[iacas]

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

In other words, how much attention we (or the media, or the ruling bodies) give their opinion.

[saevel25]

14 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

Overrated, the complaining about the unfairness of the rules applying to them is idiotic.

[HJJ003]

32 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

Overrated...by a good bit actually. It almost never fails that when a rule affects a prominent player, a player in contention, or results in a DQ of someone that a few players will moan about how the rule needs to be changed. I have never understood how just because a rule effects someone in a negative manner that in some way it must be a bad rule. 

They are entitled to their opinions on the rules, just like everyone else, but it doesn't mean that rule changes should be strongly considered just because a pro doesn't like it. 

[gbogey]

33 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

In other words, how much attention we (or the media, or the ruling bodies) give their opinion.

Overrated.  The PGA Tour is, for lack of a better word, a union whose membership and leadership advocates what's best for its members without any thought about what's best for the game of golf.  So you almost always hear tour players advocate what's best for them, not what's best for golf.

 

[Vinsk]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

In other words, how much attention we (or the media, or the ruling bodies) give their opinion.

Overrated. Give them all a rules exam, post their scores and I’ll see if my opinion changes. What I do think is worth paying attention to is what tour player’s opinions are regarding what ‘punishment’ is appropriate for issues like Garcia’s for example. A clear understanding of the rules should be present before an opinion holds much weight. Imo.

[phillyk]

46 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

Overrated.  Some of them don't even know the rules, so why should those opinions be given any weight? They push for getting rid of "unfair" rules and making play faster but scoff at the idea that their own pace is slow and at situations that negatively effect them.  Oh, that's right they play for a living and for millions of dollars... as if that is supposed to exempt them from certain rules they don't like.

Ok, yeah they play a ton of golf and are good examples of how the rules guide play, so the USGA R&A make decisions based on situations that arise on Tour. This is different, though, than the ruling bodies or media giving attention to their opinions on those situations.

[bkuehn1952]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

Overrated as far as the general carping by Tour members.  When there are, however, highly publicized situations that seem contrary to the spirit of the game, the ruling bodies do react. Some of the Rules changes for 2019 seem to have their origin as a result of publicity from a Rules snafu on one of the pro tours.

[Double Mocha Man]

25 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Overrated. Give them all a rules exam, post their scores and I’ll see if my opinion changes. 

Nice. Is there prize money for the winner of the rules exam? Does he get FedEx points?😁

Edited February 5, 2019 by Double Mocha Man

[DeadMan]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

In other words, how much attention we (or the media, or the ruling bodies) give their opinion.

Way overrated. PGA Tour players are experts at getting the ball in the hole in as few strokes as possible. They are not experts on almost anything else, and we shouldn't treat them as such. Half of PGA Tour players call in a rules official when they need to take a simple drop from a cart path.

[rehmwa]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

I personally don't spend any time on it.

In general - Overrated, when i see them calling the officials over for even simple things, it leads me to think they aren't really experts at all.  I think it would be more worthwhile if we got to hear the opinions from really good caddies.  I respect players for their commitment and talent.

But I think the media does it just to fill in time and lend some false credibilty to it.

all that said, I suspect the worst tour pro knows the rules 1000x better than I do.....but he should.  However, I consider a pro should know them 10000x better than I do.

[iacas]

19 minutes ago, rehmwa said:

all that said, I suspect the worst tour pro knows the rules 1000x better than I do.....but he should.

Not remotely accurate.

[Beastie]

54 minutes ago, rehmwa said:

 

all that said, I suspect the worst tour pro knows the rules 1000x better than I do.....but he should.  However, I consider a pro should know them 10000x better than I do.

They don’t but they definitely should. If I don’t know and apply the rules pertaining to my job then I will probably get fired/go to jail/get sued.....

Edited February 5, 2019 by Beastie
Fat fingers

[rehmwa]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Not remotely accurate.

true,,,,,but in a better world it should be....because I'm pretty bad

[Pretzel]

On 2/5/2019 at 6:56 AM, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

100% Overrated

The rules are made by the USGA and R&A with input from groups like the PGA and PGA Tour, but the players themselves have opinions that are no more important than the opinions of you and I.

Claims of a rule being unfair are pretty ludicrous when you consider everyone is playing under the same set of rules. Unless the rules state something like "unless you carry the ball 300 yards, take a 2 stroke penalty" there's nothing about them that will affect one player more than another in any significant fashion.

[Buckeyebowman]

On 2/5/2019 at 8:56 AM, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

In other words, how much attention we (or the media, or the ruling bodies) give their opinion.

I don't pay much attention to them in most cases. I usually chalk it up to unenlightened self interest.

On 2/5/2019 at 10:24 AM, bkuehn1952 said:

Overrated as far as the general carping by Tour members.  When there are, however, highly publicized situations that seem contrary to the spirit of the game, the ruling bodies do react. Some of the Rules changes for 2019 seem to have their origin as a result of publicity from a Rules snafu on one of the pro tours.

I know the situation you're speaking of, and in that case I do think the officials decision was precipitous. 

[DaveP043]

On 2/5/2019 at 8:56 AM, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

Seriously overrated. But who's going to read what Dave from Virginia says, or even someone as knowledgeable as Erik from Erie, when they can read what the one-time #1 Golfer in the World thinks.  Media is all about viewers (or readers), not necessarily about accuracy or knowledge.  This issue isn't totally dissimilar from the idea of taking political advice from movie stars.  People would rather hear from Brad Pitt than from Dave in Virginia.

[GolfLug]

On 2/5/2019 at 8:56 AM, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #16: PGA Tour Player Opinions on the Rules

In other words, how much attention we (or the media, or the ruling bodies) give their opinion.

I think there is a dichotomy IMO. 

Overrated, for people who know and understand rules. They know the Tour players whine about rules like most people whine about paying taxes.  

Underrated, for general masses who consider many golf rules 'unfair' at face value and think all PGA Tour players have a doctorate degree in rules. Many of these are people who think Lexi is a victim.  

[ChetlovesMer]

Overrated/Underrated #17: Getting Custom Fit for a Putter.

I know we did the overrated/underrated custom fitting already. But this time I am specifically interested in putter fitting. I'm considering going through a putter fitting, but can't quite bring myself to commit yet. I know @Saevel25 got custom fit for his putter, so I'd be interested in his opinion. I know @iacas does custom putter fittings. What do the rest of you think? BTW - If this topic is too close the other custom fitting topic feel free to boot it.