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Playing this past Sunday on the second day of our club championship, I struck very solid 6 hybrid into the wind from about 155 yards out from the tee of a par 3 on the back 9. My ball came to rest pin high and about 8 feet away. Prior to purchasing my new 6 hybrid, I had been struggling with striking my 6 iron for quite some time. I'm very pleased that I decided to switch over to a 6 hybrid. The greens were fast that day so sadly, I have to report that I did miss my birdie putt and was only able to record a par for that particular hole.

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164 yard par three. Bad swing on the tee leaves me in a bunker about 12 yards short of the green, so I have a bunker shot of around 25 yards to the pin. 56 degree wedge out of the bunker to around 3 feet and make par, frustrating my opponent who hit a great shot to around 8 feet and two putted. 

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Par 3, 180 yds to center of the green, 20mph wind into and off the right, all carry over water (~168-170yds IIRC) to the front of the green.

I have been practicing a knockdown/stinger 4 iron at the driving range which has been going right about 190 yds in the air, decided this was the perfect time to test it out.

Made perfect contact and the slight fade held against the wind off the right which kept it straight, ball stayed under the tops of the trees the entire flight, perfect trajectory and landed and stopped on the middle/right edge of the green. 

The contact and the flight were so pure and it was exactly the shot that was required in that situation and gave me a ton of confidence to execute it exactly how I had pictured/practiced.

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Made a 30-foot putt to save par on par-4 #17 in my last round. I guess technically it wasn't a putt because it was just onto the fringe. Hit my best drive of the day leaving only a partial SW from 90 yards out. Blocked it straight right and missed the green 10 yards right, pin high, but 6-feet below the surface. Hit a so-so shot that rolled out more than I wanted to the opposite fringe. There wasn't a ton of break, and it was flat or maybe slightly downhill, but I don't make many 30 footers, so I was pleased to see it go in.

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110 yd gap wedge that landed 1 yd in front of the flag, hopped 4 yds and stopped on a dime 3 yds behing the pin. Made the birdie! (first of the year)

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Last hole of my last round. Short par 5 450 yards but it goes from a tee box that is 40 yards below the bunkers that you see and the trees are about 50 yards above the tee box at about 200-220 yards out. Hit a fade over the trees and we didn’t hear it hit anything so I figured I should be safe. Came up over the hill and couldn’t find the ball anywhere. Dropped a ball 180 yards out and a guy in our group pointed out a ball that was a good 35 yards further down the fairway. So I only had 145 yards to the pin (135 to the green) on a par 5. Hit my 8 iron to about 5 yards and again missed my chance at my first eagle and missed my putt by 1,5’. Another round with a tap in birdie to finish. 

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379 yard uphill par four. #1 handicap hole. Against the wind as well so my well placed drive doesn't really help me when deciding to go for the green. There are multiple bunkers around the green, including one that is about 30 yards short of the green. If I miss the approach just a little, experience tells me that I will end up in that bunker, leaving a long difficult bunker shot. I am getting a shot on the hole vs my opponents so I decide to layup, leaving me back far enough so I can hit a full gap wedge. I am much better with that club with a full swing. After my layup, one of my opponents hit a poor shot into a greenside bunker, leaving him a severe downhill shot to the pin. The other guy hits his approach on the green, but long, and leaves a 40 foot downhiller. I hit my gap wedge to two feet. Kick in par. The guy on the green two putts, but to no avail, due to my getting the shot. It makes the difference in winning the front. 

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Par 4, 382 yds, my tee shot found the side of a mound in the rough. To add to it, tree branches blocked an elevated 140 to the pin shot. Took out a 7 iron and punched it low, under the branches, and the balled rolled up 4 feet from a back pin placement. Made the birdie putt when it could have been much worse. One of two birds I got saturday.

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Played my first two round of the year this weekend. I played a half decent first round and a horrible second round, but I hit a couple of gems between the bad shots. 

On hole 5 on the first round, a 360 yards par 4, I hit a 5 iron to the fairway bunker placed in the middle of the fairway and was left with a 130 yard bunker shot quite close to a high bunker lip. Hit my AW perfectly from there and landed it 12 feet short, to 3-put it for a bogey. A fantastic feeling to hit the ball so crisp from that lie. 

On hole 6 on the second round, a 150 yards par 3, which played a lot longer into 25 mph wind. I hit a chippy, low 7 iron and managed to keep it under the wind with enough spin to sit 8 feet from the pin and sunk the birdieput for my first birdie of the year. The good feeling didn't last long though, shot 101 for my highest round in 10 months.     

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Par 5 #5 playing about 450 yards from winter tees with hard dry conditions and lots of roll. Bad (slice) drive left me about 220 out from the right rough and I hit a 4H to about 3 feet for my first ever eagle (not counting scrambles). Making the eagle putt was the second best shot. 

I also hit a drive 255 based on GPS and then hit another 4H about 220 over the green on the other par 5. We won't discuss the rest of the hole.

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2 minutes ago, The Flush said:

Par 5 #5 playing about 450 yards from winter tees with hard dry conditions and lots of roll. Bad (slice) drive left me about 220 out from the right rough and I hit a 4H to about 3 feet for my first ever eagle (not counting scrambles). Making the eagle putt was the second best shot. 

I also hit a drive 255 based on GPS and then hit another 4H about 220 over the green on the other par 5. We won't discuss the rest of the hole.

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Nice freshly aerated greens as well. You have to hit it close! LOL


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3 minutes ago, The Flush said:

Par 5 #5 playing about 450 yards from winter tees with hard dry conditions and lots of roll. Bad (slice) drive left me about 220 out from the right rough and I hit a 4H to about 3 feet for my first ever eagle (not counting scrambles). Making the eagle putt was the second best shot. 

I also hit a drive 255 based on GPS and then hit another 4H about 220 over the green on the other par 5. We won't discuss the rest of the hole.

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2 out of 3 ain't bad.  And from the look of that flagpole you had a little wind...

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It's only Tuesday but I'm pretty sure I won't be topping what happened today anytime soon at the home course.

Hole #2 is a par 5. Great drive to left side of the fairway, 5i approach shot clipped some leaves on the two giant oak tree's so I came up a little short. 12-15 yard chip in for Eagle.

Hole #3 is a par 4. It's just a straight hole. Another great drive followed by a chunky PW. Holed out for birdie from about 35-40 yards out. This one was probably my favorite of the day because the pin was in the back and it's a narrow green with some right to left slope in it.

Hole #9 is a par 5. Another good drive followed by a thinned 5w that ran up really well anyway. Holed out for Eagle from about 65-70 yards.

Undecided on what I should do with the ball. My friends say ONLY play that ball until I lose it. 

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Pulled my drive on 12 into the trees on the left. Ball sat about a foot to the left and behind a tree with a small window to punch out to the right of another tree about 10 yards ahead. Hole doglegs left so I needed to draw the shot to get it near the green.

Described exactly what I wanted to do to a playing partner while we waited for the green to clear and hit a low drawing 6i perfectly through the opening that rolled just to the right of the hole and ended up in the fringe, 15’ from the pin.

The hole was cut at the bottom of a mound that I was on top of, so I had a downhill right to left putt with about a 5’ break. Drained it for birdie and did a fist pump.

I’ll give the shot of the week to the punch out, but both shots qualified. It was just a great result from a bad tee shot.

Bill

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Very first hole of the day. Sharp dogleg left so I hit hybrid off the tee which gave me 187 left to the hole which was cut middle right of the green with a big ridge that goes lengthwise down the middle of the green. 

Grab a 6 iron, aim left side of the green playing for my normal slight fade, absolutely flush it, watching as it fades back to the middle of the green, lands right on the slope which kicked it straight right, rolls for a couple feet then it drops into the hole for an eagle!!

By far the furthest I've ever holed out from and was awesome that I actually got to see it rolling then completely disappear into the hole!

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Today I was playing with 3 guys from New Jersey.  Git outa here! Anyway the 16th hole on #8 plays about 340, wetlands carry, bunkers left and right side of the fairway. Hit the 3 wood and found the right bunker. Shot the pin at 138. The green slopes from the high right side and everything runs downhill left. Pin was back. Had to clear the lip of the bunker, decided to hit the 9 iron. Take my swing and it hits the bunker edge and the ball is coming right back at me. Now this will sound strange but as it happened it felt like everything was in slow motion. I side stepped the ball and watched it fly by and it landed 5 yards further back in the trap.  Well, the front lip is no longer in play so I struck it again. Ball was going where I wanted it to right of the flag and it released past the pin to the edge of the green. Now I have a 12 footer back up to the pin with about 3 feet of break......and down it goes!  A head shaker of a par.


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Last Monday, I set up this shot by donking my tee shot off the heel of my driver, leaving myself about 225 yards to the green on a par four.  I pulled my three wood out and nuked it.  My kids kept telling me it was on the green, but I was sure it was in the swale in front of the green.  Well, their eyes are better than mine, because my ball was about 20 feet right of the pin.

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Number 12 at Bent Tree Golf Course in Sunbury. It was playing about 375 from the back tees I was playing. (Indecently, they call them the back tees, but they aren't. The Championship tees are further back... odd.) Anyway, Hit driver to about 125. Hit my 9 iron off the hosel to about 20 yards right of the green. Tried to hit a flop shot to a front pin location. Instead I hit the ball on its forehead and sent it skidding all the way over the green and down about a 15 foot drop on the other side of the green. 

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    • Ok, thanks.  I still really don't get it, but that's OK.
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    • In the 1970s and 1980s, Dean Knuth, who became known as the "Pope of Slope," created the handicap system as well as the course rating system. He consulted with the USGA through 2002, but hasn't really had a hand in the handicapping since then, and was not involved in the WHS. Suffice to say, he does not like the WHS, and he wrote an article expressing why:  https://www.popeofslope.com/world-handicap-system.html. The problem? His article… well, it's bad. Here is a brief (for me!) exploration of that article. Part 1 includes the bulk of his point, right up until the section labeled "The Par Pitfall," here: The handicapping system has seen almost no changes in the U.S. It's the rest of the world where they've seen the biggest changes. In the U.S., ESC was replaced by NDB, we have soft and hard caps, and we use 8/20 instead of 10/20 at 96%. Those are the only real changes. 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We don't give 10.4 strokes — a 10.4 index player might get 13, 10, 8, or whatever number of whole-number strokes.   The problem with this type of statement is that the "par handicap" could be "7" or "13" or "88" and except for affecting NDB, players competing against each other would have the same difference (except they'd still need to adjust for playing from different tees). Let's say a 10.4 and a 14.7 are playing a 71.5/127 course. Par is 72. (10.4 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 72 = 11.2 -> 11 strokes (14.7 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 72 = 16.0 -> 16 strokes -> this player gets 5 strokes Instead of 72, plug in 23 because it's your favorite number: (10.4 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 23 = 60.2 -> 60 strokes (14.7 * 127/113) + 71.5 - 23 = 65.0 -> 65 strokes -> this player gets 5 strokes They still get the strokes they deserve (5), but we've lost the meaning as players now get 60 strokes off a 10 handicap. 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Some went down a little. The net change was almost exactly 0. Yes, that's how math works. The change makes MORE sense, again, as a player shooting net par under the WHS has basically "shot their handicap". Shoot below net par and your handicap will likely go down. Shoot above it and it may go up a little (less chance of this than shooting under lowering it, though, of course). So? Half of the players who play a 72.5/72-par course will see their Course Handicap one higher than they had before the system and half will not! Also and again, players who play a course rated 68.7 par-72 will all see their course handicaps drop several strokes. That's just math, and the boundaries of rounding. Dean chose a 0.5 marker, but the same math is true at any level, because the HI already has a decimal, and the Slope/113 multiplier also tends to produce decimals. So, someone who previously had a 10.5 to 10.9 index will still be an 11, while the 10.0s to 10.4s will go up to 11s. But on another course where the decimals work out to 0.3 and 0.2… the same math applies. And on a course where the decimals work out to 0.8… players half of the players will get an "extra" stroke and half will not. This is just rounding. It's always been a part of the WHS. The point at which rounding occurs might move slightly (depending on the course and index in question) for half of the situations, but if you have a 10.0 and an 11.5… or a 10.5 and an 12.0… half of the time the higher handicapper will get the "extra" stroke, and half the time the lower handicapper will get the "extra" stroke. This is just how rounding works. Handicaps in match play are almost entirely unaffected. A 13 playing a 10 might now be a 10 playing a 7, but the difference is still the same size. You're subtracting out a constant (CR - Par) from both players. The (HI * Slope/113) remains the same. This makes no sense and Dean has absolutely failed to provide any basis for this "less accurate" while ignoring that the WHS ADDS the CR to the course handicap calculation. It is easier. Shoot net par and you've "played to your handicap." Yes, and what they say is both accurate and makes sense. The WHS method bakes in the "playing from different tees" and makes it easier to know what it takes to "play to your handicap." Those are my notes right up until "The Par Pitfall." Dean has yet to make a valid point in any of this blog post thus far. When I have the time, and feel like procrastinating a bit more like today, I'll continue with my response to this blog post. I respect what Dean did in creating the original handicap system and the course ratinga system. The course rating system is one of the most elegant solutions to a very complex problem that I have ever seen. Nothing done by the WHS changes that. The course rating system is relatively unchanged, and its application in the WHS is, again, MORE accurate by the inclusion of the Course Rating than the previous system, in addition to the other benefits. Dean deserves (and has been given) much credit for that. But, if this is how he thinks these days, Dean can remain Pope Emeritus but the Cardinals need to elect a new Pope.
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