Stop Lying About Your Distance - It's Pissing Me Off (Rant Thread)

[iacas]

15 hours ago, downbylaw11 said:

arc width is one

Arc width is irrelevant except at the ball, and virtually no good players are decreasing the width of the arc (much) around impact. In fact, there's a reason a lot of long drive guys will bend their lead elbow a bit - it creates another lever. This narrows the arc.

The only way to create speed is by using your muscles properly synchronized. Some people have a higher top end than others.

[downbylaw11]

18 hours ago, hoganbenn said:

Start wearing capris and try to squat like that...ps ..if you are a lefty why wouldn't you pick a lefty golfer for sig pic? (are there lefty female golfers or did you like the green pants?)

it's na yeon choi. i picked her because she has a lovely swing. 

[SteveH]

Not sure what has changed with regards to my swing and speed but my 3w has gained a crazy mount of distance the last little while.  The trade off is I don't seem to be able to hit driver, which was always one of my better clubs.   I think I will sign up for the spring group tune up lesson and get my swing speed checked and driver tweaked on Trackman ? like I did last year.  I actually got quite a bit of help out of it. My 3w was going about 240 today at sea level, whatever that works out to.

[SteveH]

3 hours ago, SteveH said:

Not sure what has changed with regards to my swing and speed but my 3w has gained a crazy mount of distance the last little while.  The trade off is I don't seem to be able to hit driver, which was always one of my better clubs.   I think I will sign up for the spring group tune up lesson and get my swing speed checked and driver tweaked on Trackman ? like I did last year.  I actually got quite a bit of help out of it. My 3w was going about 240 today at sea level, whatever that works out to.

I miscalculated and that 3w only went about 225-230, not 240.  Still pretty happy as I have gained about 20yds anyway.  Edit feature doesn't seem to be available so I couldn't correct the original post. 

[klineka]

8 hours ago, SteveH said:

 Edit feature doesn't seem to be available so I couldn't correct the original post. 

You can only edit posts for a short time frame after posting it. I dont remember the exact time duration, but it's definitely shorter than 4 hours.

[flashypaws]

On 3/25/2019 at 2:39 PM, billchao said:

Lol the force of gravity isn't that strong. My manly shoulders are overpowering it right now as I type.

Let's see, 9.8m/s^2 works out to something like 21.92mph/s, so without the aid of your muscles, the clubhead will reach 21.92mph after one second from gravity. Since the downswing usually lasts < 1s, I guess I'm doing most of the work. Thanks for nothing, gravity 😜

Or you know, if you do nothing but let the clubhead drop from the force of gravity at the top of the backswing, the club falls down behind you somewhere. Direction of force matters when you're talking about angular acceleration.

that's not what I said.  I said swing it with your large muscles...  your legs and your hips.

i'm not kidding.  you have to learn to unfold that release using your lower body.  you can only practically accelerate the club using your lats for about 45 degrees before impact, and if you are swinging the club around in a circle with your legs and hips, its gonna be going faster at 45 degrees before impact than you can swing it with your arms.  there really nowhere in the swing you need to pull the damn club.  seriously.

look dude...  I really do hit it a friggin mile.  ive only played 36 holes this year and ive already hit one 320 and another one 300, and I wasn't even trying to hit em far.  I just know how to make a golf club rip through the ball at the bottom of my swing.  I can feel the shaft bend like a bow as my weight moves over to my left side.  that's a feeling none of you guys complaining about distance have ever felt.

its counter-intuitive.  you have to understand the mechanical properties of how the cam action created by the angle between your hands and your forearms accelerates the clubhead.  this is like an engineering quiz.  and I will give you the answer, but it wont help.  as I swing my arms down my target line, I swing em in a straight line.  but because of the angle of my wrist, the club arcs out in a semi-circle as my right hand passes my left hand.  ok now...   the difference in length between the straight line id make if there was zero angle at my wrists, and the arc that I make because of that angle at my wrists, is actually the mechanical advantage I gain by camming that club at impact.

got it?  I didn't think so.  but theres really nothing I can do about that.  i'm sorry.

anyways, anything you do with your hands and arms will not only slow youre swing down...  its gonna mess up that cam action.  its gonna mess up your "release".  (that's not what a release is, but that's what everybody calls it, so...  whatever.  hopefully you call it a release so that makes sense to you.  I dunno.)

I gonna try to describe how to get power here to you just using the mechanical properties of the golf club alone.  it wont work...  even though what I say is gonna be right, you will not understand it...  but here goes.

swing the club back with your whole body.  start everything at once...  and "swing" it...  or just kinda throw it up there...  with your legs and hips once its moving.  just let your wrists break at the top naturally (don't lay it off.  youre gonna lay it off.  you just will, because everybody does.  don't.  even though you still will because you don't know what i'm talking about.)…  and then just don't uncock your wrists.  you wanna "slap" that wrist set loose with your weight transfer.  if you do it right, your wrists will unhinge like youre swinging a folding knife blade out of its handle.  if you time your weight shift right, that wrist set will just pop out and cam all on its own, at ridiculously high speed, and you really don't have to do a god damned thing except time it right.  and know how the grip works.  and keep the face of the club on the ball during your entire swing.  and other stuff.

alright.  that's how you swing for power.  if you wanna hit it even farther, you just get higher and longer with your hands.  bigger, higher arc...  just give it enough time to build up speed and "slap open" at the ball.

look bud.  i'm pretty sure this wont help you.  i'll be surprised if you just walk out there with a sugary sweet swing and start crackin it 300 yards.

but it will help somebody.  somebody out there will read this, and go...  "oh, snap jack.  I got the power!"

 

[Cantankerish]

Flashypaws, I think that is what we are looking at in the Brooke Henderson video.  The club comes damn near vertical around her neck at the apex of her backswing because she is twisted up and her wrists are so folded.  Then, she forces her wrists open faster than her arms, body, etc. all like you say.  Remarkable to watch in slow motion and yet entirely invisible to the casual observer.

Also, your grammar is atrocious.  I had to work hard to translate your slang into English.

Capitalization is the difference between "helping your uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse".  Grammar is the difference between "knowing your shit" and "knowing you're shit".

[iacas]

48 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

that's not what I said.  I said swing it with your large muscles...  your legs and your hips.

Your arms contribute significantly to the speed and thus power in a golf swing.

48 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

anyways, anything you do with your hands and arms will not only slow youre swing down... 

Incorrect.

48 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

alright.  that's how you swing for power.  if you wanna hit it even farther, you just get higher and longer with your hands.  bigger, higher arc...  just give it enough time to build up speed and "slap open" at the ball.

Uhm, no.

The easiest response here is "feel ain't real." Glad those "feels" work for you, but you're wrong from a biomechanics perspective, a physics perspective, etc.

[billchao]

1 hour ago, flashypaws said:

that's not what I said.  I said swing it with your large muscles...  your legs and your hips.

i'm not kidding.  you have to learn to unfold that release using your lower body.  you can only practically accelerate the club using your lats for about 45 degrees before impact, and if you are swinging the club around in a circle with your legs and hips, its gonna be going faster at 45 degrees before impact than you can swing it with your arms.  there really nowhere in the swing you need to pull the damn club.  seriously.

look dude...  I really do hit it a friggin mile.  ive only played 36 holes this year and ive already hit one 320 and another one 300, and I wasn't even trying to hit em far.  I just know how to make a golf club rip through the ball at the bottom of my swing.  I can feel the shaft bend like a bow as my weight moves over to my left side.  that's a feeling none of you guys complaining about distance have ever felt.

its counter-intuitive.  you have to understand the mechanical properties of how the cam action created by the angle between your hands and your forearms accelerates the clubhead.  this is like an engineering quiz.  and I will give you the answer, but it wont help.  as I swing my arms down my target line, I swing em in a straight line.  but because of the angle of my wrist, the club arcs out in a semi-circle as my right hand passes my left hand.  ok now...   the difference in length between the straight line id make if there was zero angle at my wrists, and the arc that I make because of that angle at my wrists, is actually the mechanical advantage I gain by camming that club at impact.

got it?  I didn't think so.  but theres really nothing I can do about that.  i'm sorry.

anyways, anything you do with your hands and arms will not only slow youre swing down...  its gonna mess up that cam action.  its gonna mess up your "release".  (that's not what a release is, but that's what everybody calls it, so...  whatever.  hopefully you call it a release so that makes sense to you.  I dunno.)

I gonna try to describe how to get power here to you just using the mechanical properties of the golf club alone.  it wont work...  even though what I say is gonna be right, you will not understand it...  but here goes.

swing the club back with your whole body.  start everything at once...  and "swing" it...  or just kinda throw it up there...  with your legs and hips once its moving.  just let your wrists break at the top naturally (don't lay it off.  youre gonna lay it off.  you just will, because everybody does.  don't.  even though you still will because you don't know what i'm talking about.)…  and then just don't uncock your wrists.  you wanna "slap" that wrist set loose with your weight transfer.  if you do it right, your wrists will unhinge like youre swinging a folding knife blade out of its handle.  if you time your weight shift right, that wrist set will just pop out and cam all on its own, at ridiculously high speed, and you really don't have to do a god damned thing except time it right.  and know how the grip works.  and keep the face of the club on the ball during your entire swing.  and other stuff.

alright.  that's how you swing for power.  if you wanna hit it even farther, you just get higher and longer with your hands.  bigger, higher arc...  just give it enough time to build up speed and "slap open" at the ball.

look bud.  i'm pretty sure this wont help you.  i'll be surprised if you just walk out there with a sugary sweet swing and start crackin it 300 yards.

but it will help somebody.  somebody out there will read this, and go...  "oh, snap jack.  I got the power!"

 

🤦🏻‍♂️

Ok first of all, I can hit the ball pretty far. The difference is I'm not sitting here telling people it's easy and everyone can do it if only they knew how. I understand that there's something about my mechanics and my physical makeup that allows me to swing faster where another person whose muscles can't fire as fast just literally and physically can't swing as fast as I can, even when their mechanics are better than mine. And I'm nowhere near the fastest swing I know of personally.

There are guys on the PGA Tour who can't carry the ball 280. You saying you know something about the swing that they don't? If swinging faster was as easy as you claim it to be, you bet they'd all be doing it, because it affects their paycheck.

Second of all, there are lots of people on this forum with engineering and physics backgrounds, myself included. While I'm never going to claim to be knowledgeable or an expert, I do know enough about golf biomechanics to know that you're wrong on this stuff. Stop being condescending and assuming people don't understand "engineering."

And finally,

[Cantankerish]

Bill, I plan to try to try this idea next time I get a chance.  I have no expectations of any kind of results.  I'm just curious.  Other than what you just said, do you have reason to believe that it is more complicated than it looks?

[NM Golf]

1 hour ago, flashypaws said:

look dude...  I really do hit it a friggin mile.  ive only played 36 holes this year and ive already hit one 320 and another one 300, and I wasn't even trying to hit em far.  I just know how to make a golf club rip through the ball at the bottom of my swing.  I can feel the shaft bend like a bow as my weight moves over to my left side.  that's a feeling none of you guys complaining about distance have ever felt.

While I try to adhere to a strict "don't feed the trolls" philosophy on here, I just can't take it any longer. @flashypaws You have no idea what you are talking about. You're no long drive specialist nor do you even have a working knowledge of the golf swing. I hit it well past you, you DO NOT hit it a mile, you're only moderately long if those are your two best drives in two rounds. I hit over 320 four times in my last round, but the last thing you are going to see me do is come on to this forum and start spewing complete horseshit as to how I do it. Do everyone a favor and just stop. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by NM Golf

[krupa]

Next time I go out, I'm definitely going to "slap open" at the ball.

[Double Mocha Man]

Flashy Pause... unless your real name is Jamie Sadlowski you're just flappin' your lips.  See, I would never say this to someone, out of gentlemanly civility, but you have a way of pissing everyone off by thinking you know it all.

[Vinsk]

2 hours ago, flashypaws said:

that's not what I said.  I said swing it with your large muscles...  your legs and your hips.

i'm not kidding.  you have to learn to unfold that release using your lower body.  you can only practically accelerate the club using your lats for about 45 degrees before impact, and if you are swinging the club around in a circle with your legs and hips, its gonna be going faster at 45 degrees before impact than you can swing it with your arms.  there really nowhere in the swing you need to pull the damn club.  seriously.

look dude...  I really do hit it a friggin mile.  ive only played 36 holes this year and ive already hit one 320 and another one 300, and I wasn't even trying to hit em far.  I just know how to make a golf club rip through the ball at the bottom of my swing.  I can feel the shaft bend like a bow as my weight moves over to my left side.  that's a feeling none of you guys complaining about distance have ever felt.

its counter-intuitive.  you have to understand the mechanical properties of how the cam action created by the angle between your hands and your forearms accelerates the clubhead.  this is like an engineering quiz.  and I will give you the answer, but it wont help.  as I swing my arms down my target line, I swing em in a straight line.  but because of the angle of my wrist, the club arcs out in a semi-circle as my right hand passes my left hand.  ok now...   the difference in length between the straight line id make if there was zero angle at my wrists, and the arc that I make because of that angle at my wrists, is actually the mechanical advantage I gain by camming that club at impact.

got it?  I didn't think so.  but theres really nothing I can do about that.  i'm sorry.

anyways, anything you do with your hands and arms will not only slow youre swing down...  its gonna mess up that cam action.  its gonna mess up your "release".  (that's not what a release is, but that's what everybody calls it, so...  whatever.  hopefully you call it a release so that makes sense to you.  I dunno.)

I gonna try to describe how to get power here to you just using the mechanical properties of the golf club alone.  it wont work...  even though what I say is gonna be right, you will not understand it...  but here goes.

swing the club back with your whole body.  start everything at once...  and "swing" it...  or just kinda throw it up there...  with your legs and hips once its moving.  just let your wrists break at the top naturally (don't lay it off.  youre gonna lay it off.  you just will, because everybody does.  don't.  even though you still will because you don't know what i'm talking about.)…  and then just don't uncock your wrists.  you wanna "slap" that wrist set loose with your weight transfer.  if you do it right, your wrists will unhinge like youre swinging a folding knife blade out of its handle.  if you time your weight shift right, that wrist set will just pop out and cam all on its own, at ridiculously high speed, and you really don't have to do a god damned thing except time it right.  and know how the grip works.  and keep the face of the club on the ball during your entire swing.  and other stuff.

alright.  that's how you swing for power.  if you wanna hit it even farther, you just get higher and longer with your hands.  bigger, higher arc...  just give it enough time to build up speed and "slap open" at the ball.

look bud.  i'm pretty sure this wont help you.  i'll be surprised if you just walk out there with a sugary sweet swing and start crackin it 300 yards.

but it will help somebody.  somebody out there will read this, and go...  "oh, snap jack.  I got the power!"

 

 

[RussUK]

15 hours ago, flashypaws said:

that's not what I said.  I said swing it with your large muscles...  your legs and your hips.

i'm not kidding.  you have to learn to unfold that release using your lower body.  you can only practically accelerate the club using your lats for about 45 degrees before impact, and if you are swinging the club around in a circle with your legs and hips, its gonna be going faster at 45 degrees before impact than you can swing it with your arms.  there really nowhere in the swing you need to pull the damn club.  seriously.

look dude...  I really do hit it a friggin mile.  ive only played 36 holes this year and ive already hit one 320 and another one 300, and I wasn't even trying to hit em far.  I just know how to make a golf club rip through the ball at the bottom of my swing.  I can feel the shaft bend like a bow as my weight moves over to my left side.  that's a feeling none of you guys complaining about distance have ever felt.

its counter-intuitive.  you have to understand the mechanical properties of how the cam action created by the angle between your hands and your forearms accelerates the clubhead.  this is like an engineering quiz.  and I will give you the answer, but it wont help.  as I swing my arms down my target line, I swing em in a straight line.  but because of the angle of my wrist, the club arcs out in a semi-circle as my right hand passes my left hand.  ok now...   the difference in length between the straight line id make if there was zero angle at my wrists, and the arc that I make because of that angle at my wrists, is actually the mechanical advantage I gain by camming that club at impact.

got it?  I didn't think so.  but theres really nothing I can do about that.  i'm sorry.

anyways, anything you do with your hands and arms will not only slow youre swing down...  its gonna mess up that cam action.  its gonna mess up your "release".  (that's not what a release is, but that's what everybody calls it, so...  whatever.  hopefully you call it a release so that makes sense to you.  I dunno.)

I gonna try to describe how to get power here to you just using the mechanical properties of the golf club alone.  it wont work...  even though what I say is gonna be right, you will not understand it...  but here goes.

swing the club back with your whole body.  start everything at once...  and "swing" it...  or just kinda throw it up there...  with your legs and hips once its moving.  just let your wrists break at the top naturally (don't lay it off.  youre gonna lay it off.  you just will, because everybody does.  don't.  even though you still will because you don't know what i'm talking about.)…  and then just don't uncock your wrists.  you wanna "slap" that wrist set loose with your weight transfer.  if you do it right, your wrists will unhinge like youre swinging a folding knife blade out of its handle.  if you time your weight shift right, that wrist set will just pop out and cam all on its own, at ridiculously high speed, and you really don't have to do a god damned thing except time it right.  and know how the grip works.  and keep the face of the club on the ball during your entire swing.  and other stuff.

alright.  that's how you swing for power.  if you wanna hit it even farther, you just get higher and longer with your hands.  bigger, higher arc...  just give it enough time to build up speed and "slap open" at the ball.

look bud.  i'm pretty sure this wont help you.  i'll be surprised if you just walk out there with a sugary sweet swing and start crackin it 300 yards.

but it will help somebody.  somebody out there will read this, and go...  "oh, snap jack.  I got the power!"

 

I'm normally happy to give anyone the benefit of doubt. If they say they are able to do something then fair enough. But the thing is, anyone can come on a forum and say they can hit it 300, 350, 380 whatever. Maybe put up a video of your swing (possibly on with trackman) that way if you are legit everyone will be more willing to accept it?.

Now i'm no expert on the golf swing but I dont think the sentence i've bolded is 100% correct. Look at the video below. When TA3 hits his own driver its what, 275?. He doesn't get "higher and longer" with his hands. It's still a very short backswing, not much longer than his other swings if at all.

Not being awkard, just interested in others points of view on the higher/longer hands = more distance.

P.s. Are you Jack Hamm in disguise?

 

[flashypaws]

everybody you people are listening too is wrong.  I dunno what to tell you.  youre all stupid nubs.

and since I keep getting literally billions of replies to this thread every day, i'm just gonna teach you all how to golf until this stupid thread disappears.  whenever I fell like it...  if ever...  im just gonna post a quick golf lesson here.  eventually youll all be experts and this thread will be stupid.

here we go...  1)   sole your damn clubs correctly, before you address em.  this is super simple, but most people do it wrong.  sole your irons on the middle of the sole, on the bounce.  the leading edge of your irons will be slightly up in the air if you sole em correctly, and not flush with the ground the way you probably think they should be.  and sole your woods on the center of the bottom...  theres actually bounce there too, but its more or less just the bottom of the club.  learn how your clubs work, and set em up correctly.  they slide along the ground on "the bounce" at impact.  on the center of the bottom of the club.  for 90% of your shots.  for all your normal shots.

even your driver, if youre hittin it off the deck like an idiot.

this is important, because if you don't set up your clubs on the bounce, they wont point the right direction.  most people are gonna end up with a closed clubface, not even realize it, and not even know its a problem.

that's it.  that todays or this weeks or this months or this years lesson...  that might be the only lesson I give, depending on how much I really care.  but I get bored and I know a lot about the golf swing...  so i'll probably keep comin back here to prove it.  lucky you.

on the bright side, i'm gonna cut 5-15 strokes off all you idiots handicaps.  for free.  just for fun.  just because youre all lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

I normally charge 1000 bucks a lesson too.  and i'm not kidding.  I do that because I don't wanna give golf lessons.  so...  this is like free money for all you nubs.  its like you woke up and you were in heaven, huh.  admit it.

so there ya go.  that's the first 1/2 stroke.  sole your clubs right.  and then "bounce" em at impact...  the center of the bottom of the club.  is what hits the ground.  if you wanna hit it right.

and you gotta hit it right if you wanna hit it far.

all righty then...   good luck.  this is an easy one...  they get harder.  so pay attention.  there will be tests.

 

[klineka]

2 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

everybody you people are listening too is wrong.  I dunno what to tell you.  youre all stupid nubs.

and since I keep getting literally billions of replies to this thread every day, i'm just gonna teach you all how to golf until this stupid thread disappears.  whenever I fell like it...  if ever...  im just gonna post a quick golf lesson here.  eventually youll all be experts and this thread will be stupid.

here we go...  1)   sole your damn clubs correctly, before you address em.  this is super simple, but most people do it wrong.  sole your irons on the middle of the sole, on the bounce.  the leading edge of your irons will be slightly up in the air if you sole em correctly, and not flush with the ground the way you probably think they should be.  and sole your woods on the center of the bottom...  theres actually bounce there too, but its more or less just the bottom of the club.  learn how your clubs work, and set em up correctly.  they slide along the ground on "the bounce" at impact.  on the center of the bottom of the club.  for 90% of your shots.  for all your normal shots.

even your driver, if youre hittin it off the deck like an idiot.

this is important, because if you don't set up your clubs on the bounce, they wont point the right direction.  most people are gonna end up with a closed clubface, not even realize it, and not even know its a problem.

that's it.  that todays or this weeks or this months or this years lesson...  that might be the only lesson I give, depending on how much I really care.  but I get bored and I know a lot about the golf swing...  so i'll probably keep comin back here to prove it.  lucky you.

on the bright side, i'm gonna cut 5-15 strokes off all you idiots handicaps.  for free.  just for fun.  just because youre all lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

I normally charge 1000 bucks a lesson too.  and i'm not kidding.  I do that because I don't wanna give golf lessons.  so...  this is like free money for all you nubs.  its like you woke up and you were in heaven, huh.  admit it.

so there ya go.  that's the first 1/2 stroke.  sole your clubs right.  and then "bounce" em at impact...  the center of the bottom of the club.  is what hits the ground.  if you wanna hit it right.

and you gotta hit it right if you wanna hit it far.

all righty then...   good luck.  this is an easy one...  they get harder.  so pay attention.  there will be tests.

 

[iacas]

11 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

here we go...  1)   sole your damn clubs correctly, before you address em.

Not all that relevant. There's head drop, the shaft is usually in forward deflection at impact, and people's hands are generally higher and more forward at impact than at setup.

11 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

learn how your clubs work, and set em up correctly.  they slide along the ground on "the bounce" at impact.  on the center of the bottom of the club.  for 90% of your shots.  for all your normal shots.

Not on full swing iron shots, no.

11 minutes ago, flashypaws said:

on the bright side, i'm gonna cut 5-15 strokes off all you idiots handicaps.  for free.  just for fun.  just because youre all lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

Wow. I'll be a +6 to a +16.

Too bad you're in a timeout.